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11-11-2011, 02:28 AM
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Just found this cool band called Cause For Effect. They play this weird "grind / jazz-ish / whatever else you think you hear" kind of music. And it's only a bassist and a drummer, so I thought I'd share. Not for everyone, cool nonetheless. Cause for Effect-Process - YouTube
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Originally Posted by Funky Ghost  ...So it's like an auditory root canal. My nerves are frayed and I'm mostly numb and I'm still not sure if it did me any good... | |
11-11-2011, 03:47 AM
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11-11-2011, 06:00 AM
| | | OK...not bad.
Try this one for size-
"Speed Freaks" byJ ohn Zorn/ Naked City naked city - "speedfreaks" (live) - YouTube
...it's only 55-seconds.
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11-11-2011, 06:07 AM
| | | actually it was pretty cool 
Just don't like the grunting
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11-11-2011, 11:23 AM
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11-11-2011, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Rage1331 Just found this cool band called Cause For Effect. They play this weird "grind / jazz-ish / whatever else you think you hear" kind of music. And it's only a bassist and a drummer, so I thought I'd share. Not for everyone, cool nonetheless. Cause for Effect-Process - YouTube | I don't know what that is, but it aint jazz, jazz-ish, jazz-like, kind-of-jazz, reminiscent of jazz, jazz influenced, jazz-o-licious or anything else that even contains the word jazz.
Kind of cool though. |
11-11-2011, 11:56 AM
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11-11-2011, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mofeezy | If it weren't for the vocals I'd be totally into this. I just can't get beyond the grunting growl thing. |
11-11-2011, 12:56 PM
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aint sayin its bad,
Just sayin....
It definitely aint JAZZ! |
11-11-2011, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by skychief aint sayin its good,
aint sayin its bad,
Just sayin....
It definitely aint JAZZ! | Can you define jazz, though? IMO jazz is probably the genre that most readily adapts to contemporary forms of expression - what is and isn't jazz is often debatable. If it involves elements of free jazz and fusion I wouldn't say it's *definitely* not jazz...
Ain't sayin' you're right... ain't saying you're wrong... |
11-11-2011, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by JimK | Holy cow this is awesome! Quote:
Originally Posted by mofeezy | Also pretty cool stuff. As a fan of death metal and grindcore I really enjoy these vocals. 
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Originally Posted by Funky Ghost ...So it's like an auditory root canal. My nerves are frayed and I'm mostly numb and I'm still not sure if it did me any good... | |
11-11-2011, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by skychief aint sayin its good,
aint sayin its bad,
Just sayin....
It definitely aint JAZZ! | I kind of see them as a fusion band. Listen to some more, you may see some jazz influence. IMO. It may have been better if I titled the thread "Fusiongrind".
This band however, has been labelled as jazzgrind (or something similar) by almost everyone. Naked City - Osaka Bondage - YouTube
And they are awesome. (Thank you JimK!)
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Originally Posted by Funky Ghost ...So it's like an auditory root canal. My nerves are frayed and I'm mostly numb and I'm still not sure if it did me any good... |
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11-11-2011, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by lfmn16 I don't know what that is, but it aint jazz, jazz-ish, jazz-like, kind-of-jazz, reminiscent of jazz, jazz influenced, jazz-o-licious or anything else that even contains the word jazz.
Kind of cool though. | Holy crap Wynton Marsalis posts at talkbass!
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11-11-2011, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Knettgummi | Yeeeeaaaahhhh 
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Originally Posted by Funky Ghost ...So it's like an auditory root canal. My nerves are frayed and I'm mostly numb and I'm still not sure if it did me any good... | |
11-11-2011, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by skychief aint sayin its good,
aint sayin its bad,
Just sayin....
It definitely aint JAZZ! | ooh, and Stanley Crouch too!
The reductionists are out in force, keeping the world safe for jazz.
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11-11-2011, 05:31 PM
| | | | Man that ain't nothin like jazz. It's more like thrash or punk. It don't swing AT ALL!! |
11-11-2011, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Knettgummi Can you define jazz, though? IMO jazz is probably the genre that most readily adapts to contemporary forms of expression - what is and isn't jazz is often debatable. If it involves elements of free jazz and fusion I wouldn't say it's *definitely* not jazz...
Ain't sayin' you're right... ain't saying you're wrong... | this is just a hunch... have no data whatsoever to back it up, but i reckon if you asked these CFE guys to describe the genre of music they identify with, the word JAZZ would NOT be in it.
...just sayin....
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11-12-2011, 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Rage1331 | Check out "Asylum"-
(wish this was my ringtone!) Naked City live in Germany (1990) Part 1 - YouTube
It starts approx. 2:50 in (your "Osaka Bondage" is the 1st 'tune').
If you're not that familar with NC & Zorn, Frissel, Baron, Horvitz, Frith...they are on other projects where the playing is very "in".
You may also like Zorn with Masada & Electric Masada.
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11-12-2011, 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by sunnycal Man that ain't nothin like jazz. It's more like thrash or punk. It don't swing AT ALL!! | Much Modern Jazz does not "swing"...in fact, much of it is a statement that is anti-Swing.
Read up on the '60s Free Jazz/New Thing musicians...
For a long while, I was in your camp.
If "it" didn't dovetail into MY definition of Jazz...then it was not Jazz.
I do agree that the word "Jazz/jazz" is diluted.
Few years ago, I asked our UK-ers..."Acid Jazz"? I hear the "acid" part, where's the Jazz?
BTW, your 1st sentence above-
"Man, That ain't nothin like Jazz"-
...that has been uttered each time Jazz has taken off into a new sub-genre.
The Beboppers were all lambasted because they were destoying Jazz (at that time, Jazz = Swing Bands, etc). Bebop was a statement against the current/stale state of (Swing Band) Jazz.
Miles' Bitches Brew...lambasted because it was anti-Jazz.
Coltrane, Ornette Coleman, Cecil Taylor, Archie Shepp, Phroah Sanders, Anthony Braxton, et al.
Funny...now Bebop would be considered a mainstream Jazz genre.
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