Metal with a horn section/Jazz Metal

**Adam Barkley** · #1 08-30-2005, 08:01 PM

I recently found a thing I love to death. Metal with a horn instrument in the band. But this stuff is harder to find than a needle in a haystack. Searching for "Jazz metal" has brought up some interesting things to say the least.

Youpi. Youpi
I, for the life of me, cannot find the slightest bit of jazz in any of the 5 songs featured here. Like a groovy version of Alice in Chains to these ears.

Shaun Baxter. Shaun Baxter Boring shred guitar, nothing to see here.

Brace FaceBrace Face Weirdness akin to Mr Bungle. Not what I am looking for. Way too much Stan Getz* style singing. *He might not be the person I am thinking of

Thus far I've found and liked:

The Mass. Metal/hardcore with a sax. The Mass

Ephel Duath. Metal/prog with a trumpet and the occasional keyboard bit.
Ephel Duath

Ritual Space Travel Agency. This stuff is more about weirdness than metal. But it's still cool. Woodwinds of some sort.RSTA

I've heard good things about Kayo Dot, better things about Maudlin of the Well, and okay things about Yakuza. I'll be getting the Yakuza disc before to long.

Opinions, suggestions?

Thanks,
Adam

Brendan · #2 08-30-2005, 08:41 PM

Candiria - "300% Density" and "The Process of Self Development"

On these two albums they had a full time horn section, so there's quite a bit of the jazz stuff going on.

**Adam Barkley** · #3 08-30-2005, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Brendan

Candiria - "300% Density" and "The Process of Self Development"

On these two albums they had a full time horn section, so there's quite a bit of the jazz stuff going on.

I have 300% Density. I haven't spun it in a while, but I believe I remember the odd horn here and there now that I think about it. Is the Process of Self Development better than 300%? I was on the fence about 300% Density.

Thanks for the reminder.

Brendan · #4 08-30-2005, 09:01 PM

Dunno, I'll have to dig up my Candiria and check it out. I haven't listened to them in a long time, either.

sargebaker · #5 08-30-2005, 09:22 PM

I liked what I heard fo RSTA I wish I could hear a full song. I hear alot of Zack de la Rocha influence in his singing style sometimes

Tash · #6 08-30-2005, 09:26 PM

There's not much Jazz influence, but Therion's "Secret of the Runes" uses orchestral horns really effectively.

**Adam Barkley** · #7 08-30-2005, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tash

There's not much Jazz influence, but Therion's "Secret of the Runes" uses orchestral horns really effectively.

Dig, I'll check them out.

Thanks.

**Adam Barkley** · #8 08-30-2005, 09:48 PM

Okay I listened to 300% Density.

On Constant Velocity.., they break into a jazz motif and then alternate between metal and jazz. That is pretty cool, I forgot about that bit. Obvious Destination has another little jazz breakdown. Songs like Contents Under Pressure (mainly the intro and outro) are what I think I am searching for.

Opposing Meter is still as boring as the first time I heard. Oooo, ambience and cars passing.

Matt Till · #9 08-30-2005, 11:19 PM

"Saddam a go go" by Gwar.

I've been searching for this style of metal as well for some time. You should start a band that sounds like the music you want to hear! Luckily for you, there are plenty of ska kids without bands right now because.. well ska sucks... snag their horn section and make it happen.

SMASH · #10 08-30-2005, 11:57 PM

I'm big on Ephel Duath and The Mass. Got the Maudlin Of The Well discs "Bath" and "Leaving My Body Map" and dig those as well. Not as crazy as the other two bands.

Here's something for you :

Killer fusion prog? 'MACHINE AND THE SYNERGETIC NUTS'
Site : http://cuneiformrecords.com/bandshtml/machine.html
sample : http://cuneiformrecords.com/realaudio/monaco.ram

**Adam Barkley** · #11 08-31-2005, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SMASH

I'm big on Ephel Duath and The Mass. Got the Maudlin Of The Well discs "Bath" and "Leaving My Body Map" and dig those as well. Not as crazy as the other two bands.

Here's something for you :

Killer fusion prog? 'MACHINE AND THE SYNERGETIC NUTS'
Site : http://cuneiformrecords.com/bandshtml/machine.html
sample : http://cuneiformrecords.com/realaudio/monaco.ram

I found a place that still has Maudlin of the Well's first album, so I imagine I'll get that when I go on my next spree.

Apparently I need Realplayer to play that clip. I'll try and find a demo I can download.

**Adam Barkley** · #12 08-31-2005, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Till

"Saddam a go go" by Gwar.

I've been searching for this style of metal as well for some time. You should start a band that sounds like the music you want to hear! Luckily for you, there are plenty of ska kids without bands right now because.. well ska sucks... snag their horn section and make it happen.

The problem I've found with horns is that alot of those guys can play any piece of music you put in front of them, but when you tell them "Create", they are lost. I've met a trombone player, a flutist (flautist?), several trumpet players, and cellist and all were the same way. I wish I could find one who could improvise though. I have found a gospel piano player and I swear we share the same brain. Got a drummer lined up, but I'd like a horn and the right guitarist to complete the group. Aiming for groove funk without borrowing too much from MMW.

My last band thing that I was involved with, the singer could play acoustic guitar and play sax. No metal, more of a singersongwriter thing, but that was where my head was at a few months ago.

I started a thread that had some of our songs if you're interested. Search for "Some old songs from a now defunct group". Or look about a page back.

Phe · #13 08-31-2005, 02:35 PM

Dog Fashion Disco's "anarchists of good taste". Reminds me of mr.Bungle but not too much. Good stuff, jazzy metal with saxophone.

**Adam Barkley** · #14 08-31-2005, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Phe

Dog Fashion Disco's "anarchists of good taste". Reminds me of mr.Bungle but not too much. Good stuff, jazzy metal with saxophone.

When I was listening to that album all I could think about was how much more I like Mr Bungle. DFD is like watered down Bungle-lite to me. I'll give them another listen to see I judged them wrong.

I could see a tour between them and Mindless Self Indulgence.

Thanks for the reminder.

**Adam Barkley** · #15 08-31-2005, 05:09 PM

Ok I gave DFD another spin. I still think they are a nu-metal version of Bungle but that is besides the point.

The horn bits on Pink Riots were pretty tasty, I must say.

Thanks for reminding me of them.

unatratnag · #16 08-31-2005, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by abark000

Opinions, suggestions?

Naked City
Various John Zorn compositions

**Adam Barkley** · #17 08-31-2005, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by unatratnag

Naked City
Various John Zorn compositions

Well that narrows it down to hundreds of possible Zorn cd's.

I know there are like 120 Masadas and that is a side project.

Amastacatious · #18 08-31-2005, 09:54 PM

Kayo dot...

http://www.myspace.com/kayodot

I think thats the closest thing to metal with a horn section you will find...

**Adam Barkley** · #19 08-31-2005, 11:02 PM

Thanks for the link. Their website was DOA.

They kind of remind me of Tin Hat Trio and GSY!BE, but with vocals. Not heard the metal yet (I've only listened to Wayfarer), but regardless I like their sound.

Thanks again.

KeithBMI · #20 09-01-2005, 12:26 AM

"Casualties of Jazz"

They are a jazz band that do Black Sabbath songs.

Quote:

Sabbath for jazz heads or jazz for Sabbath fans? However you look at it, the Casualties’ organ/upright/drums jazz trio flat-out kills with its takes on Black Sabbath’s masterful blend of heavy riffs and free-flowing improvisation. Throughout Kind of Black, Chris Golden’s potent lines show both his reverence for Geezer Butler and his ability to transform the material into deep and heavy jazz. A bold and fun listen.