Modern music based on the twelve-tone technique?

[Linkert]

You know any musicians that use the twelve-tone technique in modern music?
Would be awesome to hear something a-tonal or whatever its called :P

[soong]

Sorry man other than Webern, Schoenberg, maybe Wagner, there's none that i know.

[Freaky Fender]

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[Matt Till]

Originally Posted by Freaky Fender

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Awesome.

[Bruce Lindfield]

Originally Posted by I Suck At Bass

Sorry man other than Webern, Schoenberg, maybe Wagner, there's none that i know.

Wagner was well before serialism - but there have been many composers who have used this - Berg is another and Stravinsky looked at it - other composers developed thier own take on serialism - like Stockhausen and Messiaen.

I presume when the OP talks about "modern" he means young people who use electric guitars and drums...

Most such modern music is pretty primitive in music theory terms - but I think there is one fairly well-known band who might qualify..

So members of Can actually studied music with Stockhausen and some of their albums are pretty weird - if anybody can be said to have combined serious music with "pop/rock" - then it is Can !

My favourite of theirs:

http://www.amazon.com/Soon-Over-Baba.../dp/B0009NSCXK

[JimK]

Originally Posted by Bruce Lindfield

I presume when the OP talks about "modern" he means young people who use electric guitars and drums...

Dammit, you're scaring me...'cause that's exactly what I was thinking.

Can is a good example...I was thinking of something by John Zorn but couldn't come up with anything specific.
(And Zorn is over 50...so he may not be "modern").

[Linkert]

Originally Posted by JimK

Dammit, you're scaring me...'cause that's exactly what I was thinking.

Can is a good example...I was thinking of something by John Zorn but couldn't come up with anything specific.
(And Zorn is over 50...so he may not be "modern").

When i say modern i mean 50's and up :P from the "modern world".

[Bruce Lindfield]

Olivier Messiaen's final work - Eclairs sur L'Au-Dela - was written and first performed in 1992 , I saw the Berlin Philharmonic perform it a few years later and there is a great recording with Simon Rattle from 2004.

It is based on serialism - amongst many other things!

http://www.amazon.com/Olivier-Messia.../dp/B0002IPZ6Y

[Hoover]

At the risk of some shameless self-promotion, check out the link in my Sig line; Debris played an awful lot of serial music with guitar, bass, sax & drums.

so did Splatter Trio, Watershed Quintet, Dr. Nerve, and Henry Cow.

[nysbob]

There's a great Todd Rundgren tune that employs it - Don't You Ever Learn off the Todd LP. He's one of the few guys that wrote a pop tune in whole tone too - Freak Parade.

There's a whole lot more to the guy than Bang the Drum All Day.

[Razorjack]

These guys use the twelve tone method, hence the name.

Twelve Ton Method

[projectMalamute]

The middle bit from 'Carry Stress In The Jaw' on the second Mr Bungle album is based on a 12 tone row.

[Bruce Lindfield]

Originally Posted by nysbob

There's a great Todd Rundgren tune that employs it - Don't You Ever Learn off the Todd LP. He's one of the few guys that wrote a pop tune in whole tone too - Freak Parade.

There's a whole lot more to the guy than Bang the Drum All Day.

Well I am a big fan of Todd and I bought about 12-13 albums of his in a row as they came out and am very familiar with that tune....but I have to say there is more to composing with a 12 tone row, than just using a chromatic scale.

That tune has a lot of normal tonality/harmony in it and the idea of serialism and what makes it atonal, is that you use all the tones in the row before repeating it - thus not favouring any one tone - giving you atonal or pantonal music.

"Don't you ever learn" is not atonal!

[nysbob]

Originally Posted by Bruce Lindfield

Well I am a big fan of Todd and I bought about 12-13 albums of his in a row as they came out and am very familiar with that tune....but I have to say there is more to composing with a 12 tone row, than just using a chromatic scale.

That tune has a lot of normal tonality/harmony in it and the idea of serialism and what makes it atonal, is that you use all the tones in the row before repeating it - thus not favouring any one tone - giving you atonal or pantonal music.

"Don't you ever learn" is not atonal!

I was waiting for this.

Not strictly, agreed....but it is a good example of how you can incorporate that technique in writing a solid pop tune.

True serial music is very difficult for the average listener to get a handle on. We love our tonal centers.

[Bruce Lindfield]

Well - most of Bebop Jazz onwards uses chromatic scales and improvising - but it is not atonal or serial!