The new human abstract

[crimson_basser]

Hurts my ears a lot.
Ive never been that big of a fan but come on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZtiaeaqd1A

this just hurts man


stop trying to ripoff between the buriend and me and dillinger at the same time.

this is a huge part of the reason why metal is getting so hard to listen to

god....

[baalroo]

I actually think it's pretty decent for being Tech oriented metal (at least the first part of that clip that I bothered listening to), which generally bores me.

[Zappstorius]

Interesting time sig at the beginning, and the next part(s) of the song sounded kinda stock (nice for boring?), but The Human Abstract rocks! It's not for everyone, but some people really appreciate their musicianship...me being one of them.

[crimson_basser]

dude, his "guitar solo" is not in key to the rest of the music
i just hate this (not so new) trend in metal that playing every note as fast as you can counts for something

i just think its blatantly obvious that theyre trying way too hard to be btbam and dillinger at the same time
both are bands i love, cuz they can actually do what it is theyre trying to do
and are actual legit musicians who know music, keys and time signatures

these guys rly dont seem to
thats my biggest problem with them

[mutedeity]

Originally Posted by crimson_basser

dude, his "guitar solo" is not in key to the rest of the music
i just hate this (not so new) trend in metal that playing every note as fast as you can counts for something

i just think its blatantly obvious that theyre trying way too hard to be btbam and dillinger at the same time
both are bands i love, cuz they can actually do what it is theyre trying to do
and are actual legit musicians who know music, keys and time signatures

these guys rly dont seem to
thats my biggest problem with them

What "key" is the rest of the music in?

[Martin Bormann]

Originally Posted by crimson_basser

dude, his "guitar solo" is not in key to the rest of the music
i just hate this (not so new) trend in metal that playing every note as fast as you can counts for something

i just think its blatantly obvious that theyre trying way too hard to be btbam and dillinger at the same time
both are bands i love, cuz they can actually do what it is theyre trying to do
and are actual legit musicians who know music, keys and time signatures

these guys rly dont seem to
thats my biggest problem with them

So what key do you think the rest of the music is in? And so what if the solo is in a different key. Is there a rule on this? Because I didn't get the memo.

[crimson_basser]

well if by listening to it, you cringe and feel that a lot of what he was doing sounded terribly off from the rest of the music then i would say something might be wrong

and if a room full of none musicians all listened to it and all went "oh...that sounds off" at the exact same time...

im just saying
i may not be able to just pick out the exact key by ear
but, i can tell if something sounds off
and thats what i was trying to say

i just dont like it when people call other people wicked guitarists or whatever JUST because they can play something rly rly fast
knowing what to play when, makes all the difference

[UncleBalsamic]

It just sounds unimaginative and half of it fantastically generic. Also I hate the singing.

[Metal Matt]

Meh, it sounds like The Human Abstract. I like this band in small doses but overall I think they are a very forgettable band. Nocturne is a solid enough album but too much protools and too much of this "chain every genre together in every song" makes me not take stuff like this seriously, and the song you linked is even worse. Cool parts on their own, but together it just makes them sound like a band that can't write a coherent, flowing song.

As far as that solo, it sort of creates a sense of awkwardness, and maybe that was the guitar players intention? Not every solo has to be some pretty sounding melodic stuff.

[Matt Till]

Not bad. I can dig it, wouldn't buy it, but... it's interesting. I really dislike the poppy singing, but it's interesting that they are willing to take it to that dynamic, but it sounds like they slam together a few different songs, it doesn't read as one song at all. They are one of those bands that are proggy just to show off I think rather than writing a good song. Not that it's not a good song, but a lot of prog bands are more concerned with showing off rather than writing a good prog song.

[PunkerTrav]

Originally Posted by Matt Till

Not bad. I can dig it, wouldn't buy it, but... it's interesting. I really dislike the poppy singing, but it's interesting that they are willing to take it to that dynamic, but it sounds like they slam together a few different songs, it doesn't read as one song at all. They are one of those bands that are proggy just to show off I think rather than writing a good song. Not that it's not a good song, but a lot of prog bands are more concerned with showing off rather than writing a good prog song.

+1.

[mutedeity]

Originally Posted by crimson_basser

well if by listening to it, you cringe and feel that a lot of what he was doing sounded terribly off from the rest of the music then i would say something might be wrong

and if a room full of none musicians all listened to it and all went "oh...that sounds off" at the exact same time...

im just saying
i may not be able to just pick out the exact key by ear
but, i can tell if something sounds off
and thats what i was trying to say

i just dont like it when people call other people wicked guitarists or whatever JUST because they can play something rly rly fast
knowing what to play when, makes all the difference

I don't recommend you buy anything by Buckethead, Shawn Lane or Alan Holdsworth then.

[Martin Bormann]

Originally Posted by crimson_basser

well if by listening to it, you cringe and feel that a lot of what he was doing sounded terribly off from the rest of the music then i would say something might be wrong

and if a room full of none musicians all listened to it and all went "oh...that sounds off" at the exact same time...

im just saying
i may not be able to just pick out the exact key by ear
but, i can tell if something sounds off
and thats what i was trying to say

I highlighted the key part of your post there. See, that statement alone says you're full of baloney. How can it be "off" (as you put it), when you don't even know what he did? In fact you can't even identify either of the alleged keys, so how can he be "out of key?"

[crimson_basser]

well can you, just by listening to it identify it either?

all i was saying, that what he was doing during the solo sounds extremely off from the rest of the music
it seems to me, that all he is doing is hitting notes as fast as he can

and i think that if you actually listen to the song, youll think the same thing
somehow i doubt you even did

[PunkerTrav]

Originally Posted by mutedeity

I don't recommend you buy anything by Buckethead...

Buckethead's arrangements, particularily the instrumentals, are very well constructed.

[bassaficionado6]

Originally Posted by PunkerTrav

Buckethead's arrangements, particularily the instrumentals, are very well constructed.

+1 Buckethead has some very well constructed stuff.

I moderately enjoyed Nocturne, the first album. It caught my ear and that was enough for me. However, my hope was that they progress and do something a little different song-wise (and that maybe the singing would get a little better, just not my cup of tea).

However they seem to be doing the same thing as they did in the first album, so I'm not getting the new one. Not worth it IMO.

[mutedeity]

Originally Posted by crimson_basser

well can you, just by listening to it identify it either?

all i was saying, that what he was doing during the solo sounds extremely off from the rest of the music
it seems to me, that all he is doing is hitting notes as fast as he can

and i think that if you actually listen to the song, youll think the same thing
somehow i doubt you even did

Which is why it's probably best not to claim things are out of key when you don't really know what's going on.

That it sounds "off" is really a matter of your opinion. Plenty of music is written that is "out of key". Being "in key" isn't the be all and end all of making music. In fact my opinion is that playing "out of key" was probably the intent of the guitarist. It happens in music all the time, particularly in jazz, for example.

As far as Buckethead goes, my point wasn't that his music is poorly constructed, I especially wouldn't ever claim that Alan Holdsworth's music is poorly constructed either. What I am saying is that being "in key" is hardly the primary consideration in the notes Buckethead chooses to play.

I have to agree with bassaficionado6 though. I don't think what I heard lives up to Nocturne too well.

[bass_snake]

Sounds pretty cool. I like it.

Fred

[crimson_basser]

poor choice of words
my bad

sounds off was all i meant to say

[MarkMyWordsXx]

Originally Posted by crimson_basser

poor choice of words
my bad

sounds off was all i meant to say

sorry you didnt enjoy it. move ona nd talk about something that you did enjoy hearing.

i love the human abstract, and really enjoy this album.