New Liquid Tension album...

Twistad · #1 11-18-2007, 09:15 AM

Wow, pretty amazing! How come I didn't hear about this? http://dreamtheater.net/disco_projec...rio_experiment

Has anyone listened to it? If so, how is it?

Baryonyx · #2 11-18-2007, 09:17 AM

I can't say I'll be going for that one. I have the two LTE albums and with the exception of the song "Universal Mind", they are some of the most dire records I've ever heard in my life!

Petary791 · #3 11-18-2007, 09:56 AM

I got it the day it came out. It is SO BAD. Mike Portnoy completely DESTROYS this album. Honestly, I lost SO MUCH respect for MP after listening to it.

Every song's a good 6-12 minutes of jamming, but it's basically just Tony laying down a fat Stick groove, then MP plays the most wanking obnoxious awful drum parts on top of it, and Jordan Rudess is either not playing or trying to solo but is constantly competing with MP. The first track has a really great Stick groove, but it just repeats over and over again. There's also a song called "Tony's Nightmare" which is sweet because it's just Tony Levin with his NS Bass playing some sweet bowed stuff that is really scary.

It seems to me that the CD is just Mike Portnoy trying to find himself every song. He'll try every possible 32nd note wanking drum beat he can. UGH! I was so excited about this.

Baryonyx · #4 11-18-2007, 09:59 AM

That's Portnoy, a whole lot of technical ability and little grasp of taste! (usually).

StanFan · #5 11-18-2007, 10:18 AM

I liked the LTE albums, but haven't heard this one yet. I'm a huge Tony Levin fan, but based on what has been said already I won't rush out to get this one.

Papersen · #6 11-18-2007, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris2112

That's Portnoy, a whole lot of technical ability and little grasp of taste! (usually).

I completely agree Chris. That`s why I still keep Neil Peart well above him.

phxlbrmpf · #7 11-19-2007, 01:18 PM

Personally, I have no idea why Tony still records with those guys, he seems to be the only one in the group with taste. Every time I hear a song by them I have no clue how Tony managed to keep a straight face at his bandmates' obsession with overplaying.

dannoman · #8 11-19-2007, 02:22 PM

OKay okay, before everyone continues to bash this band and its players. it was recored while they were recording their second disk. John Petrucci had to leave the studio to be with his wife who was giving birth so the rest of the guys decided to just jam. Mike always runs a DAT recorder on everything he does from studio to live and he recorded this. After the falling out with Magna Carta Records, the group still owed them another cd, mike sent them this simply because he wants nothing to do with them. What you are hearing is just that, a jam session with 3 Great players. It's not a Liquid Tension Experiment cd, its called Liquid Trio experiment. Mike has stated several times that he does not want anything to do with that label, and not to put to much into this disk, it was only meant to fulfill a contract.

I'll refrain from making any remarks about why people have to put down other players....

IconBasser · #9 11-19-2007, 02:30 PM

aahhhhhh....

thanks for the info dannoman

dannoman · #10 11-19-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by IconBasser

aahhhhhh....

thanks for the info dannoman

No problem....

Baryonyx · #11 11-19-2007, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Papersen

I completely agree Chris. That`s why I still keep Neil Peart well above him.

Oh yes, Neil Peart is simply leagues ahead of Portnoy!

dannoman · #12 11-19-2007, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris2112

Oh yes, Neil Peart is simply leagues ahead of Portnoy!

Twistad · #13 11-19-2007, 05:21 PM

I really don't the point of these commentaries, why the need to compare these 2 players?

I've realized that you Chris2112 seem to like comparing players and putting down pretty much everyone except that small bunch of players that you mention in every thread. I mean, are you that good at your age that you can actually go and judge people that are twice your age and who have dedicated their lives to music? Probably not. I've said it before, but I'd like to hear you play one of these days. Anyway, enough of this.

Neil Peart is not leagues ahead of Portnoy, actually I doubt there's anything Peart has played that he couldn't play. I also prefer Peart's style, but find me one drummer, hell, one musician, who's contributed to the prog metal scene in the last 10 years more than Portnoy...

I don't think Portnoy overplays in Dream Theater, at least not more than the other guys of the band, and If you've seen/heard him in any of his other projects (the Beatles, the Who, Led Zeppelin Tribute Band), you know he can play for the song and actually play more "traditionally".

Baryonyx · #14 11-20-2007, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Twistad

I've realized that you Chris2112 seem to like comparing players and putting down pretty much everyone except that small bunch of players that you mention in every thread. I mean, are you that good at your age that you can actually go and judge people that are twice your age and who have dedicated their lives to music? Probably not. I've said it before, but I'd like to hear you play one of these days. Anyway, enough of this.

Neil Peart is not leagues ahead of Portnoy, actually I doubt there's anything Peart has played that he couldn't play. I also prefer Peart's style, but find me one drummer, hell, one musician, who's contributed to the prog metal scene in the last 10 years more than Portnoy...

Okay, so you've said some pretty foolish things and I'm just gonna cut you right down for that...

With regards to a "small bunch of players", well, everyone has their favourites. It's not about putting "everyone else" down. I'd wager that the majority of musicians I take my time to talk about I like, or at least appreciate to some degree. Then there are the "goons", people who I will bother to post about while expressing a less than favourable opinion. If you don't like seeing me put down your golden boy, take a hike, shut up, whatever. I'm not fussed. Suffice to say I'm not sure who you are and can't even remember reading one of your posts. Given that, I'm touched that you bothered to read my posts but I'm not bothered about your opinions of me or your misconceptions on my opinions of other players. It's fair to say I'll not be having a recorded output like these guys do, but then I'm not aiming to be a professional musician. In spite of this, I do not feel that it is "incorrect" for me to comment on other musicians and their work. And so I will.

As for the point of Portnoy being able to play what Peart has played....so what? There are a million kids who can play Portrait of Tracy on Youtube, but there is a big difference between being able to play and being able to compose such a piece of brilliance. In this, we see a separation of technical facility and the ability to write memorable music. I wouldn't question Portnoy's technique, but someone wake me up when he writes something memorable, ok?

And if Portnoy could be classed as the biggest contributor to that scene, well, all I can say is "dear me!". As the key player in what is arguably the scenes most popular and prominent band (DT), they really shouldn't be content with the torrent of faecal matter that has been their recorded output for their entire career.

I had high hopes for LTE when I first heard about them. Unfortunately, they let me down too.

Twistad · #15 11-21-2007, 07:02 AM

I agree that being able to play somebody else's stuff does not mean that you're as good. But check this out... Mike Portnoy has written lots of very memorable things in the past whether you like it or not. Check out albums like Images and Words, Scenes from a Memory, and Awake.

All those records had songs written by Portnoy, and the general consensus is extremely positive. You are ignorant when it comes to Mike Portnoy, and Dream Theater, face it. You say that all they've done is crap like that's a fact.

You have that arrogance in your posts that I find to be extremely annoying, and I honestly wish there was an ignore function like there is on most forums. Btw, if you see a thread about somebody's music that you don't like, just don't post in it, okay? You don't see me going into every threads dedicated to U2 or Stu Hamm saying how much they suck.

Finally, I'm very far from being some hardcore fan of DT or Mike Portnoy, I'd say at least half of their recorded output I don't like, but that doesn't make me forget the great things they've done.

Papersen · #16 11-21-2007, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Twistad

I agree that being able to play somebody else's stuff does not mean that you're as good. But check this out... Mike Portnoy has written lots of very memorable things in the past whether you like it or not. Check out albums like Images and Words, Scenes from a Memory, and Awake.

All those records had songs written by Portnoy, and the general consensus is extremely positive. You are ignorant when it comes to Mike Portnoy, and Dream Theater, face it. You say that all they've done is crap like that's a fact.

You have that arrogance in your posts that I find to be extremely annoying, and I honestly wish there was an ignore function like there is on most forums. Btw, if you see a thread about somebody's music that you don't like, just don't post in it, okay? You don't see me going into every threads dedicated to U2 or Stu Hamm saying how much they suck.

Finally, I'm very far from being some hardcore fan of DT or Mike Portnoy, I'd say at least half of their recorded output I don't like, but that doesn't make me forget the great things they've done.

Please don`t take it so personal.

Chris is a good guy and after all it`s just a matter of opinion / taste.

We don`t have to agree in our musical preferences and that`s part of the fun (otherwise would be veeery boring).

Peace

Baryonyx · #17 11-21-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Twistad

You don't see me going into every threads dedicated to U2 or Stu Hamm saying how much they suck.

Feel free to do so.

I, for one, am not a massive U2 fan. I love Stu, but not every tune he has put out has been a banger. Don't be afraid to express your opinion.

If there is one DT song I like, it's Take The Time. A song with a catchy, decent melody. The other DT songs, even the ones that aren't wank-fests I find to be flat and uninspired. However, their version of Bohemian Rhapsody from the Change of Season album is fantastic, as are the first 3 minutes or so of "A Change Of Seasons" itself. It's downhill after that though