|  | | 
02-18-2009, 07:59 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: santa maria,california | |
Sign in to disble this ad
Quote:
Originally Posted by Groovy Bastard  Man, you need to listen to the right Jaco recordings. One of the most swinging and funkiest players ever. Different than Paul Jackson, both super great.
Hancock's 4 A.M., Jaco + Mike Clarke, one of the most amazing tracks ever. Try to play a groove like that, never one bar the same but always always in the groove. Listen to the 1st bar of Herbie's solo, that pickup (or absence of) is unbeatable. | regardless of recording, jaco was always pushing the beat and playing notes all over the place. now, imo, its not the busyness that made it not very funky because rocco and p.j. were playing pretty busy too, but it was less notes.
i like chester thompson's description of jaco Quote: |
Thompson described it to World Of Genesis webmaster David Negrin: "Jaco was very much wanting to be in the band. So, he was pretty much being the ‘Yes Man’ to whatever they said (laughs). The [Black Market] rehearsals were a bit strange, because the songs that I had just recorded with Alphonso (Johnson) playing bass were 180 degrees different with Jaco (playing bass). Alphonso had this wonderful sense of space when he played, and Jaco was just all notes. It just didn’t work. I suppose, I certainly could have made the adjustment, musically, but to be honest, I really didn't care to."
| |
02-18-2009, 09:03 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Vienna | | | My Jaco´s favourite record is the Live in New York Vol.2. Anyone has an idea which bass that was - a friend of mine, Kris Jefferson told me that he often played a fretted in those days.
I tried a Precision Neck Maple on a Jazz Body. Mhhhh. Nice!
There´s also a cd called Jaco-the early recordings. More funk stuff - yeah! |
02-18-2009, 09:06 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Vienna | | | Hi Duranjoe, nice playing - nice vibe ;-) Like your sound. |
02-18-2009, 09:32 AM
|  | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Timboech My Jaco´s favourite record is the Live in New York Vol.2. | This is widely considred to be Jaco at his worst - when his mental health was deteriorating and his drug problems escalating... 
__________________
“Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.”
Charles Mingus |
02-18-2009, 09:58 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: santa maria,california | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Lindfield This is widely considred to be Jaco at his worst - when his mental health was deteriorating and his drug problems escalating... | just cued this up in itunes and its actually pretty good  who'da thunk it. |
02-18-2009, 09:59 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: santa maria,california | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Timboech Hi Duranjoe, nice playing - nice vibe ;-) Like your sound. | thanks  |
02-18-2009, 01:06 PM
| | Supporting Member | | Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: L.A. (the Valley) | | | Could you guys take the Jaco conversation in another thread?
__________________
Fender 51 Reissue Club Quote:
Originally Posted by grisezd
That's got everything that is good, all in one spot.
| |
02-18-2009, 01:14 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: New Jersey | | Glad to see a Paul Jackson thread!
Check out the nine segment video stream from BP TV: http://www.bassplayer.tv/?req=1&station=jackson
__________________
___________________________
Brass nuts increase your sustain
|
02-18-2009, 02:28 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Massachusetts, USA | | Quote:
Originally Posted by jumbosilverette Could you guys take the Jaco conversation in another thread? | But it is not possible to understand the "Paul Jackson Sound" without first understanding the innovations that Jaco broguht to the table. Without Jaco's contributions to funk, tjhere is no Paul Jackson in my opinion. He is the father of the modern electric bass after all. Spend some time transcribing tunes like "Havona" and "The Chicken," Grasshopper, and then you will understand where Jackson is coming from. Herbie's Headhunter band is very derivitive of Weather Report, he just got all the credit because he dumbed it down for the MTV generation by teaming up with Rick Rubin to produce "Rockit" and "Axel F."
__________________
mush-a-boom-boom
|
02-18-2009, 02:37 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: santa maria,california | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Mushroo But it is not possible to understand the "Paul Jackson Sound" without first understanding the innovations that Jaco broguht to the table. Without Jaco's contributions to funk, tjhere is no Paul Jackson in my opinion. He is the father of the modern electric bass after all. Spend some time transcribing tunes like "Havona" and "The Chicken," Grasshopper, and then you will understand where Jackson is coming from. Herbie's Headhunter band is very derivitive of Weather Report, he just got all the credit because he dumbed it down for the MTV generation by teaming up with Rick Rubin to produce "Rockit" and "Axel F." | im seriously hoping youre not serious  |
02-18-2009, 02:45 PM
|  | Endorsing Curmudgeon: Mal's Kitchen Cruelties ... | | Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Columbia River Gorge | | Quote:
Originally Posted by narud im seriously hoping youre not serious | +1 - that's just silly ...
Jaco certainly pulled off some real impressive stuff but I kinda think he's more the godfather of Eddie Van Octave Lower ... (OK - I really, liked his playing on the Joni Mitchell stuff. She wound him up, gave him room and he stomped the parts.) I really prefer the groovalicious PJ in the Head Hunters approach personally. and long as he already came up in the thread. all hail Alphonso!
Far as getting a good PJ Head Hunters type tone. I tend to think in terms of warm, but articulate. When I was building up a bass for that sound it translated to a P-Bass pickup with a slight overwind and alnico magnets for a little softer attack.
__________________
I think I'd know normal if I saw it ... 'Calvin
Last edited by 4Mal : 02-18-2009 at 02:51 PM.
|
02-18-2009, 03:56 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2001 Location: Denver, Colorado | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Mushroo He is the father of the modern electric bass after all. |  I would think that James Jamerson would get quite a few votes for that title. Am I wrong?
Back to Paul Jackson. Here is a track from his solo project Black Octopus...... Funk Times Three
And, here's one from the Mike Clark & Paul Jackson collaboration The Funk Stops Here. I couldn't find this on Youtube so...... Steady Freddy
__________________
~~~~~~~
Charles
The rhythm of life is a jazz rhythm.
-Langston Hughes
|
02-18-2009, 04:05 PM
| | Banned | | Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Marathon Man | | Quote:
Originally Posted by narud youre not missing anything. as much of a genius jaco was, he didnt have anywhere near the amount of funk paul jackson has and those tunes suffer quite a bit. | Hmm I dunno, I love Jaco's feel and how he will "busy up" lines with that gorgeous sound of his. I find that so addictive! I'd still like to check out the records because I find Paul Jackson to be passable in the Headhunters, but I'd really have liked to have heard what a more lively bass player could have brought to the table than just straight up, on the beat funk like Paul does. Not that Paul does a bad job of it, but I love things like Weather Report and such because the bass shifts between support and harmony to passages of melody! Wonderful! |
02-18-2009, 06:45 PM
|  | C'mon man! | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Hawaii | | Quote:
Originally Posted by narud youre not missing anything. as much of a genius jaco was, he didnt have anywhere near the amount of funk paul jackson has and those tunes suffer quite a bit. | I agree, and I'm a huge Jaco fan! I thought that CD was just flat with no chemistry, and I thought the Herbie/Jaco chemistry on Jaco's debut was great. Paul Jackson's funk also predates Jaco's debut by a few years for those wondering about who influenced who.
__________________
Aloha, Jerry
|
02-20-2009, 07:55 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Seattle | | | Saw PJ live with Headhunters back in the day circa the first HH album, in a very small club here in Seattle (Pioneer Banque Restaurant's downstairs club) - sat just a few feet from him.
He was using the brown maple-neck P-bass and flatwound strings... and I believe he was using Bose speakers. Played his ass off!
The interplay between him and Clark was outright telepathic & definitely not of this earth!!
Had the chance to chat w. him outside the club 'twixt sets - a very nice guy.
__________________
"We become good only at that which we practice every day" - Auguste Rodin
Last edited by deckard : 02-20-2009 at 07:58 AM.
| | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off | | | |
