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02-19-2006, 08:40 PM
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Does anyone know the concept? By that I mean Waters' plotline and the meanings of each of the songs. I got my own idea, but it's probaly wrong. I figure the Pigs are the government, The Sheep are those that are controlled by the pigs(the government) , the common people.The dogs are those that oppose the government and have a mind of their own.
Or it could possibly relate to George Orwell's Animal Farm.
I dunno Just an idea, anybody know?
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02-19-2006, 08:42 PM
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02-19-2006, 08:42 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Edinboro, PA | | | I wouldn't say the Sheep are just controlled by the government... I don't know, I'm bad with concept albums.
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02-19-2006, 08:44 PM
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I like that one better than "The Wall".
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02-19-2006, 09:29 PM
| | | | It' animal farm to a T. My fav album of theirs. |
02-19-2006, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by page Does anyone know the concept? By that I mean Waters' plotline and the meanings of each of the songs. I got my own idea, but it's probaly wrong. I figure the Pigs are the government, The Sheep are those that are controlled by the pigs(the government) , the common people.The dogs are those that oppose the government and have a mind of their own.
Or it could possibly relate to George Orwell's Animal Farm.
I dunno Just an idea, anybody know? | i think your first idea is right. i'm not too sure either, but thats what i always thought. definately one of my favorites if not my favorite floyd album, kicks the hell outta the wall
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02-19-2006, 10:42 PM
|  | Knowledge is Good - Emile Faber | | Join Date: May 2003 Location: Pleasant Hill, CA | | | It uses similar themes to make a social statement that, I believe, is more reflective of the music industry as interpreted by Waters. Similar to what we see in "Have A Cigar" and the greater work of The Wall. I used to sum it up thus (in a very sarcastic Waters-type voice):
You are a sheep
You are a dog
You are a pig
I am probably insane
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02-20-2006, 01:47 AM
| | | Pigs = Greedy People with power
Dogs = Police controlled by pigs to keep sheep under raps
Sheep = Common man to be exploited by Pigs and Dogs
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Originally Posted by The Army Of Angry Sheep The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want
He makes me down to lie
Through pastures green He leadeth me the silent waters by.
With bright knives He releaseth my soul.
He maketh me to hang on hooks in high places.
He converteth me to lamb cutlets,
For lo, He hath great power, and great hunger.
When cometh the day we lowly ones,
Through quiet reflection, and great dedication
Master the art of karate,
Lo, we shall rise up,
And then we'll make the bugger's eyes water. |
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02-20-2006, 02:14 AM
|  | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | | Well it's certainly not Animal farm - which is a specific critique of what went wrong with the development of the Communist party in Soviet Russia.
Roger Waters is less specific and is more "impressionistic" ...I think basically he is obsessed with seeing insanity as being caused by society ....maybe due to what he saw happening to Syd Barret....?
But, obviously everybody in Britain knew about Animal Farm, however the lyrics to Animals are clearly about 70s Britain, "Yuppies" , Margaret Thatcher's brand of Conservatism and the angry reactions to it...not about 50s Communism!
This was the time of "Thatcher's Britain" - huge numbers unemployed, economy going down the pan, rampant inflation, riots on the street and the whole feeling of discontent that lead to Punk being such a big thing and ironically, killing off the British rock scene completely!
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02-20-2006, 03:44 AM
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02-20-2006, 04:02 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Duncan, Okla. | | | I change my vote, the reference to Whitehouse in Pigs is not the American Whitehouse, but someone in British politics and I can't remember her first name.
Sorry about my ignorance in British politics, but I'm w/ Bruce now.
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02-20-2006, 04:25 AM
| | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | It's Mary Whitehouse - who wasn't in Politics as such, but rather lead a protest group for censorship - "The National Viewers and Listeners Association" - a self-appointed watchdog - much derided, but seen as the voice of "Thatcherite" Britain's moral majority - so Margaret Thatcher herself publicly supported this!!
Basically - they campaigned for less sex and violence on TV!
I remember they were 'outraged' by programmes like Monty Python etc. 
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02-20-2006, 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Bruce Lindfield It's Mary Whitehouse - who wasn't in Politics as such, but rather lead a protest group for censorship - "The National Viewers and Listeners Association" - a self-appointed watchdog - much derided, but seen as the voice of "Thatcherite" Britain's moral majority - so Margaret Thatcher herself publicly supported this!!
Basically - they campaigned for less sex and violence on TV!
I remember they were 'outraged' by programmes like Monty Python etc. | That's her, I didn't think she was a politician, but thought it had to do w/ politics. A little off.
Kinda a Tipper Gore type?
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02-20-2006, 08:02 AM
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02-20-2006, 12:29 PM
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02-20-2006, 12:51 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Geordie Delta, UK | | One of the other verses ('Bus-stop rat-bag') is about Thatcher.
She wasn't even Prime Minister then... Roger just had good taste, I guess.  |
02-20-2006, 02:06 PM
| | Howzit brah | | Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Kauai, HI | | | Hmmm. I consider The Final Cut Far more political than Animals, but that's just me. That album is also like a small history lesson (albeit a gloomy one).
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02-21-2006, 06:58 AM
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02-21-2006, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Philbiker "The Final Cut" and "Animals" are my favorite PF albums. |
While 'The Final Cut' is a good album, can you really consider it a Pink Floyd album? Well... minus the name of course.  |
02-21-2006, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by zongeek While 'The Final Cut' is a good album, can you really consider it a Pink Floyd album? Well... minus the name of course. | Agreed, that was a Roger Waters solo album w/ members of Pink Floyd 'helping out'.
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