seminal recordings of Latin jazz

[Peter McFerrin]

This should probably be in DB, but whatever...

What are some of the seminal recordings of Latin jazz? I'm giving a 10-15 minute presentation in my Spanish class on how Hispanic forms influenced musicos estadounidenses de jazz; aside from the obvious Dizzy Gillespie/Chano Pozo, Jelly Roll Morton, and Mongo Santamaria touchstones, what else should I be looking for?

I remember BP recommending the Cachao album Cuban Jam Session for a good introduction to Cuban styles. I'm also gonna try to snag copies of the Buena Vista Social Club and Calle 54 soundtracks.

[ZuluFunk]

Cachao - the Master Sessions

[Peter McFerrin]

Good, good. Keep 'em coming.

[ZuluFunk]

Does Brazilian Jazz count?

[Peter McFerrin]

Originally posted by ZuluFunk
Does Brazilian Jazz count?

Probably not, although I'm going to mention that the rise of the bossa nova and samba forms attracted attention to Hispanic styles.

Honestly, it all comes from Africa anyway.

[Bassline1414]

Getz and Gilberto...I can't remember the album title but it's the one with Girl From Ipanema.

[Peter McFerrin]

Originally posted by Bassline1414
Getz and Gilberto...I can't remember the album title but it's the one with Girl From Ipanema.

Problem is, that's Brazilian. I don't think my prof will mind too much if I talk a bit about the bossa nova, but that's not a Hispanic form.

[JimK]

Grupo Folklorico Y Experimental Nuevayorquino-Concepts In Unity...
In short, "The S***".
This was the first Latin-Jazz album ever reviewed in Down Beat mag; originally a 2-record set, it's now available(I think)on a single cd.

A sequel, Grupo Folklorico Y Experimental Nuevayorquino-Lo Dice Todo is also out there.

Some of NYC's best Latin-Jazzers 'jammed' on these historic 'underground' recordings-
Jerry & Andy Gonzalez
Manny Oquendo
Oscar Hernandez
Ruben Blades
etc...

Check out www.descarga.com for details; Descarga also stocks those Cuban Jam Session cds with Cachao.

Also, anything by Jerry Gonzalez & The Fort Apache Band; you MUST check these guys out! They are equally adept at both types of music, Latin & Jazz.

On a tangent-
I recently picked up a 3-cd set called Wildflowers...experimental '60s Free Jazz recorded 'live' at Sam Rivers' loft. Very similiar, IN VIBE, to the aformentioned Grupo Folklorico discs.

[Bassline1414]

Originally posted by Peter McFerrin


Problem is, that's Brazilian. I don't think my prof will mind too much if I talk a bit about the bossa nova, but that's not a Hispanic form.

Eh, what do I know? I'm a dumbass when it comes to Latin/Brazilian/African/Asian etc. music.

[JimK]

Originally posted by Ed Fuqua
Then you got the whole FANIA ALLSTARS thing in the late 60s and 70s (that came out of Mongo and those cats, right?)...

One of my favourite Fania All-Stars' disc is Rock-Soul-Jazz...guests include Billy Cobham & Jan Hammer. Sounds like an early Santana disc with no vocals.

[Peter McFerrin]

Originally posted by Ed Fuqua
"IRON" PETE MCFERROUS - so there's really a divide between the Spanish influence and the Portugese influence in the new world? So that cuts out Horace Silver and the whole Cape Verdean thang to right?

So that means you gotta check out both early and late 20th century tango influences. So if Spanish only whadya got:
Cuba
Venezuela
Dominican Republic
Puerto Rico
Argentina

I think we can discount Peru/Uruguay etc etc I haven't heard to much in Los Jazz from anywhere other than the 5 mentioned. But I'm ready to be hipped. Maybe see about publishing yer report here when all is said and done at der schule, henh?

Hoeffentlich.

I'm trying to only focus on the Spanish-speaking countries--it's for Spanish class, after all.


Thanks to everyone for their responses. I went to Cornell's music library, and sure enough all their books on Latin jazz were checked out, including the Scott Yanow one I'd heard about...damn.

[JimK]

Originally posted by Ed Fuqua
"IRON" PETE MCFERROUS

I can easily morph that into "Ferro Lad"
(DC Comics, late '60s, Ferro Lad was a member of The Junior Justice League Of America).

Ferro Lad-
Scott Yanow's book, Afro-Cuban Jazz is sitting my local Barnes & Noble; I'd imagine your local book seller probably has it, too.
(BTW, Yanow is a 'regular' over at www.jazzcorner.com).

[Peter McFerrin]

Originally posted by JimK


Ferro Lad-
Scott Yanow's book, Afro-Cuban Jazz is sitting my local Barnes & Noble; I'd imagine your local book seller probably has it, too.
(BTW, Yanow is a 'regular' over at www.jazzcorner.com).

Rockin'. I can't seem to find the phone number for the Ithaca store and I'm not gonna waste a trip up there if they don't have it, so I'll order it tonight and have it overnighted here by FedEx for Saturday delivery if it can't be delivered by tomorrow morning. I can have my parents eat the cost, I suppose

[Bruce Lindfield]

Originally posted by Ed Fuqua
I'm not really hip to too much before the 40's. Bird's BONGO BOP and a coupla things like that. Who was that, Patato and Machito.

I have a compilation which has a lot of Cuban/Jazz crossovers, including Machito - it says Machito led what is popularly reagrded as the very first commercially successful Afro -Cuban orchestra from about 1949 - one of their classic tracks is "Tin tin deo" which was originally written and recorded by the fgreat Cuban conguero Chano Pozo for Machito's 1948 Charlie Parker session.

But I'm a bit confused here - I don't see Cuban as Hispanic music at all? I would be thinking of somthing like Flamenco? I have seen Jazz/Spanish crossovers in Jazz groups in the UK - also when I have visited Spain, I have seen Jazz groups - it's very popular there!

So - there's a fairly famous bass guitar player who plays "flamenco - style" - but I can't remember his name or band?

[Peter McFerrin]

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield



But I'm a bit confused here - I don't see Cuban as Hispanic music at all?

In the Western Hemisphere, any Spanish-speaking nation is considered "Hispanic."

[XavierG]

Originally posted by Peter McFerrin


In the Western Hemisphere, any Spanish-speaking nation is considered "Hispanic."

The definition (according to Websters Online) is:

: of, relating to, or being a person of Latin American descent living in the U.S.; especially : one of Cuban, Mexican, or Puerto Rican origin

[Peter McFerrin]

I'm familiar with that definition as well, but I have often heard the term applied to Latin American countries that aren't Brazil, and inhabitants of Spanish-speaking American countries as "los hispanos."

[LarryJ]

If you're including Puerto-Rican salsa /jazz
(Hey I hate labels!)

Do not forget the great Eddie Palmieri
His recordings go back a ways, and his recent
stuff kicks some a$$- Great fusion of jazz. latin -
salsa rhythm.

Also- Tito Puente & Peste Escovedo.

[Boplicity]

This is going way back to the mid-fifties, but Zavier Kugat and Peres Prado (Cherry Pink and Apple Blossom White) both helped bring "Hispanic" music to popularity in the U.S. Yes, Desi Arnaz, too.

[Bruce Lindfield]

Originally posted by XavierG


The definition (according to Websters Online) is:



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: of, relating to, or being a person of Latin American descent living in the U.S.; especially : one of Cuban, Mexican, or Puerto Rican origin

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This would be my understanding as well - but I suppose what I was really questioning was this term being applied to music rather than people.

So - I have loads of books about/CDs of this type of music and have never heard this term applied in this context. So - the music is often generalised as "latin" or even "latino" music, but never as "hispanic" music. My view is that this term could be applied to people who speak spanish, but not the music.