Sixteenth note fingerstyle funk - Page 2

WJGreer · #21 08-09-2006, 10:58 PM

For a taste away from Rocco, Jaco, and Jamerson-o (all masters of this style), check out the track called "Kicker" on the Chick Corea Elektric Band CD "Inside Out". Patitucci does some really cool stuff in the solo section that was my personal gateway into that style.

dlloyd · #22 08-10-2006, 04:21 PM

Thanks for all the suggestions... will check them out. Any more will be gratefully received.

Cheers

hillbillyfunk · #23 08-11-2006, 11:21 AM

steely dan is funky?

how about micheal henderson w/miles davis on 'What I Say' from the cellar door sessions? thats some fast funk

aslo check out sharon jones and the dap kings 'your thing is a drag'

JimK · #24 08-11-2006, 12:27 PM

S'matter...you don't think "Kid Charlemagne", "Green Earrings", "Josie" has funky bass?

Larry Kaye · #25 08-11-2006, 05:09 PM

I notice that with certain drummers I either play or sit in with that the 16th funk feel comes into play a lot, in all places, during a dinner set music or when we're laying down a groove/jamming over a guitar or sax solo. Since we really don't do any tunes that are obvious 16th note barrage stuff on recordings, but we seem to always gravitate to that feel and we like to throw it in.

Use it in Disco Inferno keyboard solo or at brief moments in other disco type tunes. When we do Motown there are spots when Jamerson & company will play a couple beats of 16th notes, but that's not the feel of the genre generally at all. I can see being a little creative like on the chorus of What's Goin' On, maybe, but the bass line in the recording is so tasty I'd rather mimic it than expand it.

Regarding Signed Sealed Delivered: Nice groove piece with a tasty two measure fill between the second verse and chorus and the fourth verse and second chorus. I've already mentioned to our drummer not to go "Nuts" with his Bonham like fills during those two spots but none the less he will, when not reminded show his "roots" although he is extremely funky, he tends to overplay Motown where it happens so much it loses its postive effect. It's like shock and awe drumming....how many 16th note triplet and 32nd note rolls can you fit into Mustang Sally?

Oh well. I try to take liberties stylistically by playing funky and combining playing with and around the beat. I purposely try to lay down a groove that's just consistent enough to get fingers snappin and hips gyrating but not so repeatitve that it becomes a 5 minute tune of a couple line bass part.

Funky to me is syncopation and everyone has listed some of the best fingering players and parts. Don't forget, Heard it Through the Grapevine Gladys style, Bernadette, I was Made to love her, It's ashame, Ain't nothing like the real thing, and many many other Motown funky parts with only a minimum of 16th notes.

Great stuff to try and site read too...standing in the shadows of motown.

Lkaye

dlloyd · #26 08-11-2006, 05:33 PM

I'm going to buy a copy of Standing in the Shadows of Motown next pay packet. I think I remember reading about a book on James Brown's rhythm sections of the mid-late sixties, by the same author. Any good? Or have I got my wires crossed?

Jazzdogg · #27 08-11-2006, 07:14 PM

Buy Rocco's video, put new batteries in your metronome, and practice each technique until you've got it cold; they're cumulative.

Learn to play:
What is Hip
Squib Cakes
Knock Yourself Out
Down to the Nightclub
Oakland Stroke
Only so much Oil in the Ground
Credit

You get the idea: by the time you've internalized his approach to the instrument and learned to play the entire anthology, I think you will have figured out Rocco's ghosted 16th feel: it just takes practice.

It's the feel that matters most - copying Rocco note-for-note isn't what it's all about.

BTW, I've met Rocco several times and he's been quiet, funny, and self-effacing - not at all egotistical.

JimK · #28 08-12-2006, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlloyd

I'm going to buy a copy of Standing in the Shadows of Motown next pay packet. I think I remember reading about a book on James Brown's rhythm sections of the mid-late sixties, by the same author. Any good? Or have I got my wires crossed?

The Motown/Jamerson book & the James Brown/Rhythm Masters book are well worth your investment...money & time.
Both by Dr. Licks.

Alan Vorse · #29 08-12-2006, 12:28 PM

Let's remember that Jaco's inspiration for percolating 16th note grooves came from Jerry Jemott. Get B.B. King's "Completley Well" CD and check out the track "You're Losing Me."

And for Gary Willis, I say "Speak" from "Reality Check." The whole song has a Weather Report vibe and its one of my favorite grooves.

JimK · #30 08-12-2006, 04:25 PM

'Thick" is another TT tune with a Weather Report vibe...as in pre-Jaco WR.

dlloyd · #31 08-12-2006, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimK

The Motown/Jamerson book & the James Brown/Rhythm Masters book are well worth your investment...money & time.
Both by Dr. Licks.

I went ahead and bought the Motown book. I see what the fuss was, it should take me a while to get through.

JimK · #32 08-13-2006, 01:01 PM

I have a Fisrt Edition SITSOM when the only choice was cassettes (if that wasn't a royal pain in the ass)...bought the cds a few years down the road.
And I'm still working through it.

Gotta say, though-
It woulda been nice to also have Marvin Gaye's version of "Grapevine".
I'm re-visiting that tune & man...some cool stuff goin' on.