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08-11-2006, 07:12 AM
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Great song but whats with the title?
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08-11-2006, 07:19 AM
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08-11-2006, 07:30 AM
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"In between tour dates in August 1969, Chicago had found the time to record its second album. One of the first songs Lamm brought in for the album was "25 Or 6 To 4," a song with a lyric Chicago fans have pondered ever since. What does that title mean? "It's just a reference to the time of day," says Lamm. As for the lyric: "The song is about writing a song. It's not mystical."
Although from the lyrics - it's obviously about a drug trip :
"Staring blindly into space
Getting up to splash my face
Wanting just to stay awake
Wondering how much I can take
Should I try to do some more
25 or 6 to 4 "
How much clearer can you make it? 
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08-11-2006, 08:54 AM
| | | How 'bout "Questions 67 & 68"?
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08-11-2006, 09:10 AM
|  | Now With More Metal! Moderator | | Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Harte fjord, CT | | If it was about time, shouldn't it be 25 or 7 to 4? On an analog clock, 25 minutes until the hour (35 minutes past the hour) means the minute hand is pointing at the number 7.  |
08-11-2006, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by gruffpuppy Great song but whats with the title? | The story I remember reading is that it was inspired by a train schedule... the train left at 25 minutes or 6 minutes to 4 o'clock, or maybe 25 minutes or 26 minutes to 4..... don't quite remember, but pretty sure that was the inspiration for the tune. I remember the interview quite well.
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08-11-2006, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by WillPlay4Food If it was about time, shouldn't it be 25 or 7 to 4? On an analog clock, 25 minutes until the hour (35 minutes past the hour) means the minute hand is pointing at the number 7. | I think the interpretation is that it's "25 minutes or 26 minutes until 4:00". |
08-11-2006, 10:32 AM
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dan nah bow na dow
wadda do bah doww
banna da badaa dow
What's with Chicago ripping off Green Day? 
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08-11-2006, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Bruce Lindfield How much clearer can you make it? |
Well I've heard a remake of "Lets go do the hop" converted to "Lets go smoke some pot." That one is pretty obvious.
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08-11-2006, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt Till Well I've heard a remake of "Lets go do the hop" converted to "Lets go smoke some pot." That one is pretty obvious. | Danny and the Juniors would be horrified. If any of them are still alive, that is!
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08-11-2006, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Lazylion I always figured it was a late night inspiration - 3:34 or 3:35 am. | i read this answer...they were trying to right a song, and they looked at the time and got some inspiration |
08-11-2006, 08:12 PM
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[old fart voice:]"They don't write 'em like that anymore."
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08-11-2006, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Lazylion Danny and the Juniors would be horrified. If any of them are still alive, that is! |
You're right... because the original version is so deep. 
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08-15-2006, 04:52 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii | | | I've been listening to that song since the late '60s and never thought to ask.. good question.
They were a bit stuck on "time" on that album, weren't they? Remember, there was also "does anybody know what time it is?" |
08-15-2006, 05:08 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: www.cookeharvey.com | | | so here's the real question on that tune - what is the chord the horns hit at the very end of the song? |
08-15-2006, 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by gfab333 I've been listening to that song since the late '60s and never thought to ask.. good question.
They were a bit stuck on "time" on that album, weren't they? Remember, there was also "does anybody know what time it is?" | Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is was off their first album, 25 or 6 to 4 was on the next one.
Yeah, maybe they found time an interesting subject for songs. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Bruce Lindfield Although from the lyrics - it's obviously about a drug trip :
"Staring blindly into space
Getting up to splash my face
Wanting just to stay awake
Wondering how much I can take
Should I try to do some more
25 or 6 to 4 " | I heard in an interview years ago that it was very late at night (actually just a little past 3:30 ) and he was very tired. |
08-15-2006, 06:37 AM
| | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | Yeah and why was he up so late - why couldn't he sleep ... 
It was all about drug trips in those days!!
So - go on a trip and write a song about it - applies to a huge number of hit singles at the time!
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08-15-2006, 07:27 PM
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08-15-2006, 10:05 PM
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08-16-2006, 01:53 AM
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