New Cabs Coming From Genz-Benz!

RocketMusic · #1 11-01-2010, 04:23 PM

My Genz-Benz rep came by today with some exciting news. Yeah, yeah, an UBER-15... OK, a neo 15, that is kinda cool... But what really got my attention is "The UBER Quad". For those who are missing the no-longer-in-production Berg 322 cabs, Genz-Benz may have delivered an alternative! It's 58lbs and shorter than a typical 410 cab. Not the ultimate in portable, but also not a back breaker. And it should spank really hard, I imagine.

I've got one on order that I should see sometime in the next 3 weeks. Looks very interesting!

Ziltoid · #2 11-01-2010, 04:32 PM

Is it just me or those two cabs scream to be matched together? Do want.

Darkstrike · #3 11-01-2010, 04:44 PM

Nice!

RocketMusic · #4 11-01-2010, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ziltoid

Is it just me or those two cabs scream to be matched together? Do want.

Oh, man, I wish you hadn't said that!!! That combination has me licking my chops a little bit... some days I miss having a tweeter...

Surely, my wife would understand my need for having both Rig A AND Rig B, right? I mean, it's just a couple extra cabinets...

And I do loves me some Genz Benz cabinets... I played 'em happily for 10+ years before making the jump to Berg...

svtb15 · #5 11-03-2010, 06:12 PM

Looking forward to hearing about the Quad.. 2 -3 of them could do any gig i suppose.. one for smaller band gigs would suffice.. mmmm. that one interests me.. Im gonna guess that it has clear present mids yet a defined tight bottom.. just guessing.. Looking forward to your report.

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Originally Posted by RocketMusic

My Genz-Benz rep came by today with some exciting news. Yeah, yeah, an UBER-15... OK, a neo 15, that is kinda cool... But what really got my attention is "The UBER Quad". For those who are missing the no-longer-in-production Berg 322 cabs, Genz-Benz may have delivered an alternative! It's 58lbs and shorter than a typical 410 cab. Not the ultimate in portable, but also not a back breaker. And it should spank really hard, I imagine.

I've got one on order that I should see sometime in the next 3 weeks. Looks very interesting!

LilRay · #6 11-03-2010, 06:25 PM

Looking forward to seeing how they compare to Berg. There are lots of guys out there with similar cabs (LDS, Barefaced etc). Genz has the first mass produced version that I know of.

C'mon UPS!

Any idea on delivery Greg?

God Bless, Ray

RocketMusic · #7 11-04-2010, 08:12 AM

"Several weeks" is what I was told...

Mr. Pickles · #8 11-04-2010, 08:18 AM

I can haz Suhr Classic J Fretless (3 Tone Sunburst) (Item# 2052) for free?

Seriously, I go to your website everytime I want to peep out Suhr porn. Sorry to derail

RocketMusic · #9 11-04-2010, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Pickles

I can haz Suhr Classic J Fretless (3 Tone Sunburst) (Item# 2052) for free?

Seriously, I go to your website everytime I want to peep out Suhr porn. Sorry to derail

Daddy needs a building fund, I'd make ya a crazy deal on that fretless!!

OhulahanBass · #10 11-04-2010, 04:37 PM

Any word on new amps coming from Genz Benz?

RocketMusic · #11 11-04-2010, 06:05 PM

The only word I heard is that there ARE some new amps coming in the next 2-3 months. I didn't get anything more specific than that, though.

LilRay · #12 11-04-2010, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RocketMusic

The only word I heard is that there ARE some new amps coming in the next 2-3 months. I didn't get anything more specific than that, though.

If I were to guess, I'd say there'll be one to drive 2 QUADS full up. 1200W @ 8 ohms dual (non bridged)or New Shuttle 6 with ability to drive one QUAD @ 8 ohms full.

Jus' Guessing....

God Bless, Ray

KJung · #13 11-05-2010, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RocketMusic

My Genz-Benz rep came by today with some exciting news. Yeah, yeah, an UBER-15... OK, a neo 15, that is kinda cool... But what really got my attention is "The UBER Quad". For those who are missing the no-longer-in-production Berg 322 cabs, Genz-Benz may have delivered an alternative! It's 58lbs and shorter than a typical 410 cab. Not the ultimate in portable, but also not a back breaker. And it should spank really hard, I imagine.

FYI... this design is quite different from the HT322, which was a two way cab that happened to have two different driver sizes in separately tuned compartments.

This execution is a 'next generation' three way cab, similar in concept to the old EA VL cabs and the Acme three way cabs... a deeply voiced woofer, upper mids reproduced by the small mid drivers, crossed over relatively low, and then the upper treble taken care of by the tweeter crossed over quite high. I assume this cab was inspired by all the fEarful threads and discussions.

Kind of cool.... allows the woofer to be voiced deeper, since it doesn't have to reproduce the upper mids, and allows for a bit better midrange dispersion, which tends to beam a bit when reproduced by a larger driver like a 12. These designs do sound quite different than a good quality two way cab. Not my thing, but for those looking for a more 'studio monitor' type vibe (i.e., very smooth, non aggressive top end, no upper mid break-up, and a very hi fi top end and extended low end (due to that deeply voiced woofer and the high tweeter crossover point), these are very cool.

Seems like a well thought out design and a good execution, based on Agedhorse's description of crossover points and tuning. The bad news, quite expensive versus, for example, the Low Down Sound version of this type of cab. The good news... no 4 month wait!

OhulahanBass · #14 11-10-2010, 01:11 AM

Is the Uber Quad a 3-way?

Would a 8ohm Ober 410 blow away an 8ohm Quad in volume?

I understand that 400pi surface area is much larger than 272pi, but wouldn't the 3-way let Genz tune each speaker to receive their optimal frequency bands thus moving them a bit more before farts? Not to mention other mention other speaker spec that may have an effect...Xmax and SPL.

KJung · #15 11-10-2010, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by OhulahanBass

Is the Uber Quad a 3-way?

Would a 8ohm Ober 410 blow away an 8ohm Quad in volume?

I understand that 400pi surface area is much larger than 272pi, but wouldn't the 3-way let Genz tune each speaker to receive their optimal frequency bands thus moving them a bit more before farts? Not to mention other mention other speaker spec that may have an effect...Xmax and SPL.

Yes it is a three way cab, and yes, the 410 will smoke it volume-wise (maximum volume... max SPL and volume per watt.... SPL). Tonally, they would be very different, which is the point.

You are correct, if the correct type of almost sub-woofer type driver is used (due to the ability to put the mids back in with the mid driver), the cab will need more power (i.e., lower SPL) to get up to the same volume level as a traditional 112, but will be able to reach a higher, cleaner, 'better sounding' SPL than a typical 112. Versus a 410... not so much!

OhulahanBass · #16 11-10-2010, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by KJung

Yes it is a three way cab, and yes, the 410 will smoke it volume-wise (maximum volume... max SPL and volume per watt.... SPL). Tonally, they would be very different, which is the point.

You are correct, if the correct type of almost sub-woofer type driver is used (due to the ability to put the mids back in with the mid driver), the cab will need more power (i.e., lower SPL) to get up to the same volume level as a traditional 112, but will be able to reach a higher, cleaner, 'better sounding' SPL than a typical 112. Versus a 410... not so much!

So, if we keep possible matches limited to Uber cabs, the only good pair for the Quad is the Quad correct?

The 115 & 210 wouldn't bury the QUAD but would add color rather than flat response to the overall output and the 410, 212 would both bury and color the overall output.

wengr · #17 11-10-2010, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RocketMusic

The only word I heard is that there ARE some new amps coming in the next 2-3 months. I didn't get anything more specific than that, though.

ahha, fingers crossed for a shuttlemax 9.0

hasbeen · #18 11-10-2010, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by KJung

Yes it is a three way cab, and yes, the 410 will smoke it volume-wise (maximum volume... max SPL and volume per watt.... SPL). Tonally, they would be very different, which is the point.

You are correct, if the correct type of almost sub-woofer type driver is used (due to the ability to put the mids back in with the mid driver), the cab will need more power (i.e., lower SPL) to get up to the same volume level as a traditional 112, but will be able to reach a higher, cleaner, 'better sounding' SPL than a typical 112. Versus a 410... not so much!

Yes KJ....you're correct..thanks for the assist. The Quad is a very, very fat sounding cab. The 4x10 barks more and is louder.

RocketMusic · #19 11-10-2010, 10:33 AM

Oooh - I just heard that my first "Quad" is on the way. Should be here in 2-3 days...

KJung · #20 11-11-2010, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by OhulahanBass

So, if we keep possible matches limited to Uber cabs, the only good pair for the Quad is the Quad correct?

The 115 & 210 wouldn't bury the QUAD but would add color rather than flat response to the overall output and the 410, 212 would both bury and color the overall output.

I can only talk about my experience with cabs of this general design, since I (and I guess virtually nobody) has yet played these new Genz cabs.

First, every cab has its own color, so the idea of 'flat' response is better taken off the table when deciding on a cab. They all sound different, and have different midrange natures (distortion levels), different ranges of frequency response (hence, the idea of 'relatively flat WITHIN THEIR RANGE.. and 'range' can have just as much or more impact than the frequency distribution within that range IMO and IME.

Basically, you would not ever want to pair a high SPL, multidriver cab like a 410 with a little 112, so in that sense, I agree with you.

My guess is, Genz has designed the new 115 as one possible pairing with the three way cab, and SPL-wise, that would probably work fine.

If you want to get very anal about 'the way things should be done', then you would always want to pair 'like cabinets' over different cabs, and I believe the way the mid drivers and tweeter are positioned on the Uber Quad or whatever it is called are perfect for doing that (i.e., lining up the mid drivers in that sort of line array type thing).