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Old 07-04-2008, 05:37 PM
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Bow Stiffness

I have searched the forum`s yet haven`t found an answer.

Can Anyone tell me how stifness affects a bow ?
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Old 07-04-2008, 09:22 PM
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Well a flacid bow that just stays limp isn't of much use to anyone now is it, but it can be medicinally remedied quite easily.
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Old 07-05-2008, 12:23 AM
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To me the strings are springs, the bow stick and hair are springs and my bow hold strength and flexibility should match these springs. I look for a well designed and well balanced bow that should easily start and control notes anywhere along its length in either direction with good firm tone. The stick should have a nice bend and yet sufficient clearance from the hair when tensioned.

Yes above, if the stick is too weak the hair can never be tensioned sufficiently, notes are hard to grip at each start and you can too easily play three strings at once without any real power in the sound. If the stick is too stiff you can easily over tighten the hair tension and the hair won't bend around strings. This will make the bow and notes harder to start and control, especially out at the point of the bow.

With French bow my starting point is to tension the hair so that when I press down on the D or A string at the middle of the bow the hair will just touch three strings at once. This is the most weight I will ever use. Then I go up or down say 1/4 or 1/2 turns of the tensioning screw at a time, testing the ease of starting notes to optimise tension and tone. I use Nymans rosin. Pops has much more (too much?) grab.

A bow stick that is too weak or too uneven in response along its length will continue to bother you and make a lot of unwanted extraneous sounds. The weakest bows even start to bend the wrong way, convex instead of concave. If it is too strong then it will feel clumsy and skid across notes, unable to start them cleanly. I suppose the above would equally apply to the German bow, although the hair would always be clear of the stick, even with the weakest stick!

If possible take your bass with you when you go shopping for a bow, or organise a way to try a number of bows before choosing the best for your bass. Price is not always a guide.

DP
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Old 07-06-2008, 09:22 PM
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I was always taught that the bow should never be straight or too loose. The way i have my bow(German) is so that when i place the bow on a string and put pressure on it, the stick nearly touches the the hair. I try not to have it too loose so that the hair comes in contact with the stick, in order to prevent a bad tone. With the bow too tight, you will, as mentioned by David Potts, lose concave.
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Old 07-08-2008, 10:41 AM
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I was actually talking more about the the stiffness of the bow itself. The reason I was wondering was that I was at my luthier the other day and he commented that it was a pretty stiff bow. So that got me wondering what bow stiffness actually does to bow sound and quality.

My own bow is a pretty good bow actuallly. It`s lite and really well balanced which makes it very easy to play, but besides that I guess it`s also stiff.
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Old 07-08-2008, 05:47 PM
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Tell me what you think.

The hair has to be at some sort of optimum tension and bend around the strings in order to control them, which to me means not only supporting and controlling the string movement but also the tone, through the mix of overtones produced. A weak bow stick doesn't deliver this tension adequately and kills off too many overtones, generally giving a flaccid sound. A over stiff bow stick would reach this tension too quickly and run the risk of lacking the subtlety of a well designed stick of more flexible base stock. It will probably produce a brighter lighter sound with more high overtones and is more likely to skid on the strings. Between the extremes there is a range of bow stiffness that suits your bass and playing style and produces the tone you want?

DP

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Old 07-14-2008, 07:41 PM
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Istar, I'm pretty well versed on this issue because I play on a couple Snakewood bows, which are already a very stiff and dense material. I play French bow (which has more camber than German.) For me, my bow had too much bend; by taking away a bit of the camber it will definitely give the bow a looser feel. I'd like to see a photo of your bow to see the camber and the type of wood. Pernambuco is very flexible so if it has a lot of camber that's fine...I'm wondering why you feel it's so stiff, IMO it might have something to do with the "dip" and where the camber is on your bow...This can actually be resolved quite easily by a reputable bow maker.

In regards to your second question, how stiffness affects a bow...well it makes it more difficult to achieve spicatto, it's harder to relax your hard, and it completely alters the weight relationships within the bow. It can make a 140g bow feel like 170g or very tip heavy/frog heavy.
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