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Old 12-25-2009, 02:26 AM
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Cello style

Does anyone here have any knowledge with cello rosin, or violin rosin for that matter, used on bass? I'm curious if anyone else has had positive results with off the basic Nymans, Oak, Carlsson, Kolstein pattern? What did you like about it? I guess I'm looking for somehow a different sound...
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Old 12-25-2009, 03:06 AM
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Id skip on violin rosin. Ive used bernadel cello rosin, and currently using jade solo bass rosin. Bernadel is the hardest bass rosin Ive used and it works well. Maybe a bit too powdery for my liking, so now Im settled on jade. Jade is a tiny bit softer, and you can use less of it and rosin your bow less often, while still creating a lovely smooth tone.

These harder rosins give you a finer tone than any of the softer ones youve mentioned. Its best used with lighter guage easy to bow strings (spiro mittels were no trouble to bow with hard rosin), and yes I even count spiros in that category, hard rosin is a trick that helps to get a good arco tone out of spiros.

Hard rosin also excites higher harmonics within the string giving you a richer tone influenced by the character of your strings. On the other hand soft rosin muffles those frequencies and gives you a grippy orchestral sound.

When the bow sticks and slips, soft rosin gives the string heavy plucks, while hard rosin gives lots of little plucks. That weird explanation makes sense once you hear it for yourself.

Im not an orchestral guy, so Ive never been chasing sheer volume with heavy strings, but I do classical work duets trios etc, and Id recommend trying the harder rosin for that. Theyve always had plenty of grip.

Oh and, IMO the really soft ones like oak gum up the bow for good. If you want to use hard rosin, use it after a rehair and dont use any other rosin on the bow. I suppose if youre a classical guy youll want 2 bows in your arsenal eventually anyways.
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Old 12-26-2009, 07:45 PM
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You've actually made some good points that I sometimes forget to write. I've been using many different rosins for a while and learned what you have heard with the brilliance... it's all about that sound you want. If you are worried about mixing rosins onn the bow you can just not rosin until your grip is gone or use some rubbing alcohol and a cloth. Be careful. I've actually been thinking about going to the hardest, going for the bright sound like you say... al la Pierre Fournier...but I have no idea how it sounds. I'm just trying to think of peope who may use that lighter rosin so you can refernece.

I've used the Jade and it turns out to be very soft. At first I thought what the hell nothings working.... then once a swiped it and ever since it's making grooves in the rosin like nymans or pops and gripping like anything. The rosin I'm using now is like the softest hard rosin and it's almost like the least grab.... it's pretty fun... because actually it's in my mind. Sherman's Violin Light. If you like Jade I'd say give the Bass rosin a try of theirs. It's pretty fat. I've gotten some of the biggest notes out of bass since with some of that. The violin rosin is so smooth it's more of an accquired realization... like any strings or rosin or bass. It'f funny you mention bernadel because I think that's a gold yellow rosin, too.... thanks - happy xmas
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