Help - David Gage Metropolitan Bow recieved with a major flaw!!

[natselection]

Hey guys, today i recieved a metropolitan bow from an online dealer (reputable)

however the bow is missing the silver lining/wrapping and rubber-type grip on the top of the stick in front of the frog

the place said they'll give me a $350 discount off the bow. the bow itself is carbon fiber so oil build up/dirt shouldn't damage it that much AND it will be pretty easy to clean

is -350 off good for that missing part? (the bow oringally cost $820)

thank you

[dchan]

What do you mean by lining, wrapping, and grip?

The lining, as far as I know, is the bottom part of the frog that is usually made from mother of pearl, flamed abalone, or silver. If you're missing that, I don't know what to tell you.

The wrapping and grip are the parts on the bow stick directly in front of the frog and above the bow hair. The wrapping is usually made from silver or black and white plastic. The grip is usually made from leather. Both can be replaced or installed relatively inexpensively.

Please clarify.

[Eli_Upright12]

If it doesnt bother you aesthetically and is not going to cause a problem with the way it functions, I see no problem, but then again I dont know if these two facts are true, also is it possible to have some one else put on new parts?

[natselection]

Originally Posted by dchan

What do you mean by lining, wrapping, and grip?

The lining, as far as I know, is the bottom part of the frog that is usually made from mother of pearl, flamed abalone, or silver. If you're missing that, I don't know what to tell you.

The wrapping and grip are the parts on the bow stick directly in front of the frog and above the bow hair. The wrapping is usually made from silver or black and white plastic. The grip is usually made from leather. Both can be replaced or installed relatively inexpensively.

Please clarify.

its the silver wrapping and leather grip - its missing. i think there is a black block in place of the mother pearl on the bottom of the frog...but i'm not sure if all metropolitan bows have this... they deducted $350, should i take the deal?

[natselection]

Originally Posted by Eli_Upright12

If it doesnt bother you aesthetically and is not going to cause a problem with the way it functions, I see no problem, but then again I dont know if these two facts are true, also is it possible to have some one else put on new parts?

i'll see how much it costs to install the parts

but is the mother of pearl supposed to be on the bottom of the frog of a metropolitan bow?

[dchan]

Originally Posted by natselection

i'll see how much it costs to install the parts

but is the mother of pearl supposed to be on the bottom of the frog of a metropolitan bow?

Don't know about the lining (bottom of frog), since I've never seen a Metropolitan before. You can always ask David Gage or another seller of the Metropolitan.

Playing wise, I don't think that the lining will affect the bow at all.

The wrapping and grip, on the other hand, might affect the balance of the bow. The pictures of the Metropolitan bow at David Gage's site do have the silver wrapping and grip, so the bow was probably designed with them in mind.

See how you like how the bow plays and responds. If you really like it, then you don't have to worry. If not, it shouldn't cost much to get the wrapping and grip put on.


Whatever you do, you should definitely ask the seller about this. It seems kinda fishy to leave off those items without an explanation.

[natselection]

Originally Posted by dchan

Don't know about the lining (bottom of frog), since I've never seen a Metropolitan before. You can always ask David Gage or another seller of the Metropolitan.

Playing wise, I don't think that the lining will affect the bow at all.

The wrapping and grip, on the other hand, might affect the balance of the bow. The pictures of the Metropolitan bow at David Gage's site do have the silver wrapping and grip, so the bow was probably designed with them in mind.

See how you like how the bow plays and responds. If you really like it, then you don't have to worry. If not, it shouldn't cost much to get the wrapping and grip put on.


Whatever you do, you should definitely ask the seller about this. It seems kinda fishy to leave off those items without an explanation.

thanks for the help

[Eric Rene Roy]

Is this German or French?

If German...it doesn't need to be wrapped unless it needs weight or balance correction...and it certainly does not need a leather grip (unless your holding it wrong ). I think our eye has been trained to see this wrap and when it doesn't...it can seem naked.

French bows do need a grip and the wrap material should be whatever is needed to get the weight and balance correct. Sometimes that is silver of various diameters and sometimes it's just decorative thread.

$350 is putting you way ahead of the game in regards to actual cost to get it wrapped (unless you want gold wire with very expensive lizard skin).

Take the money and run.

[Reuben]

Originally Posted by dchan

Don't know about the lining (bottom of frog), since I've never seen a Metropolitan before. You can always ask David Gage or another seller of the Metropolitan.

Playing wise, I don't think that the lining will affect the bow at all.

I've never heard this part referred to as the "lining" but rather the "slide."

[WillBuckingham]

Why don't you take it to David Gage and ask him?

[.matthew e wengerd.]

I've always believed the lining to be the silver that continues over the back of the frog up to the stick.

[dchan]

I've come to know the lining to be the slide and the silver strip that continues over the back of the frog.

So "fully lined" means that it has both the slide and the silver strip.
And "half lined" means that it's missing the silver strip.

I'm not sure that I'm correct, though. Anyone care to chime in?

[Reuben]

http://www.giannaviolins.com/Articles/bowobserv2.html

[dchan]

Okay then, I was misinformed. Cool.

According to that definition, half-lined frogs only have metal in contact with the stick. But don't all frogs have that part? Why even bother calling it half-lined?

[thedbassist]

I don't even use the grip, so I took it off because it was just interfering with my technique. I use rubber tubing.