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Old 12-14-2010, 06:02 AM
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Let's say I have $1000 for a sub for my cover band. I assume I am better off buying 1 good sub than 2 $500 subs correct? unlesss I am building my own.

Any recomendations for $1000 and under sub for a heavy rock cover band my bass will be in the mains. I am using dual 15 carvin mains right now.

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Old 12-14-2010, 08:33 AM
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I would be inclined to say yes. I've used a similar setup over the years, and then down the road you can upgrade and just buy another $1k~ sub, instead of trying to sell both $500 subs and then buying two really good ones, ya know?
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Do you already have an amp to power the sub(s)? If so, which one?

If not, what is your budget for an amp? Or it your total budget $1000? Or are you looking for a self-powered sub?

Do you have a crossover?

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Let's say I have $1000 for a sub for my cover band. I assume I am better off buying 1 good sub than 2 $500 subs correct? unlesss I am building my own.

Any recomendations for $1000 and under sub for a heavy rock cover band my bass will be in the mains. I am using dual 15 carvin mains right now.
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Old 12-14-2010, 10:33 AM
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If it was I....

I'd get one of those JBL or Mackie double 18 self powered subs.
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Old 12-14-2010, 11:34 AM
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I would get one of these used, or dig up $200 more and get one new They crush for the price.

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Old 12-14-2010, 11:44 AM
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I would get one of these used, or dig up $200 more and get one new They crush for the price.

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Agreed. They are now the LS801P. Same cab design, slight improvements to the amp section. I prefer the UCS1P, but the 800/801 is more popular - lots of folks aren't accustomed to a fully horn loaded sub like the UCS1P.

One nice thing about the bigger Elite subs is that they have a high pass output. Feed the full range line level signal in, then run the HP outs from the sub to your powered tops or amp. No crossovers required.
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Old 12-14-2010, 07:30 PM
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I was thinking self powered I actually own 2 old Yorkville 18's but not sure if they are up to task..yes I have a DBX crossover and a qsc 2450 ( I think have to look)
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I was thinking self powered I actually own 2 old Yorkville 18's but not sure if they are up to task..yes I have a DBX crossover and a qsc 2450 ( I think have to look)
Have you tried the 18's you've got? I'd try that first. This is what I'd do if I were in your situation:

If the subs are 8 ohms impedance then I'd bridge the QSC and run the subs in series to get the most power to them. I'd also keep the subs together, either both stacked or side by side on one side of the stage, preferably center stacked. The 50hz low frequency filter would be engaged.

If there is a spare auxiliary send on the mixer I'd use that as the sub send. I'd run the main send mono, to one side of the crossover, then to the amp powering the Carvin 2x15" tops. Then the aux side would go to the other side of the crossover and to the QSC powering the subs. Crossover set around 90hz, and only the instruments with legitimate content below this frequency would be sent to the subs: bass, kick, floor tom (maybe), keyboards (maybe).

There's a lot missing from that scenario, but hopefully that gives you an idea how you can most effectively use what you've got.

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Regarding a new, self-powered sub for ~$1000...I don't think that there is much out there in that price range that will be better than optimizing your current gear. A single high-output power sub suitable for loud rock would likely run several (or many) thousands of dollars. The Yorkville sub mentioned typically runs a couple hundred more than your indicated budget, and while being a fantastic performing sub for the price I doubt would keep up with a loud rock band for anything other than a small crowd and venue.
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Old 12-15-2010, 08:26 AM
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Thank you Pat...that is the exactly the info I was looking .

Thanks to all all TBer's like Pat who are so generous with their experience.
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Old 12-15-2010, 08:44 AM
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FWIW I don't know any Real good sub for 1K , at that price you can have OK'ish subs.
If you find any , let us know.

+1 on a good single one instead of two. And place it center stage.
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Good advice there. Chime back in with the models of what you've got and we can flesh it out for you.
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Old 12-15-2010, 11:04 AM
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I have a dbx 223 xover running sub signal into a qsc 2450 bridged into a Yamaha SW218V @ 4ohms. Makes your innerds tingle and vibrate. And you can get 1 for around $600.
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I would get one of these used, or dig up $200 more and get one new They crush for the price.

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^^^^^^ +1

I have the replacement of those - the 801s. They are devastating. Our sound guy raves about them since I picked them up a couple of months ago.
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With my small system I use a single Yorkie LS801P, it hands down is the best single 18 powered sub in it's price range.
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My church has a single QSC sub (pretty sure it's an 18" speaker) and that's way more than enough for us. It can really shake the room if we let it.
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I've been really happy with the (passive) B52 LX-18s, I would buy them again for sure. I'm not pushing MF, but here they are for $499 ea. http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com...fer?sku=582073
We have a pair, and I've one of them for smaller shows. They're loud, pretty durable, portable (2 guys can lift one pretty easily), and musical sounding.
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