11R + Ampeg PF500 to a Line Mixer for wet/dry
I've recently purchased an Eleven Rack and I'm thinking about ways to incorporate it into my current live setup instead of replacing my current live setup.
My idea is to split the signal from my bass, run one into the 11R and the other into my Ampeg PF500. I'd use the 11R for a wet sound and keep the Ampeg running clean. I play in a power trio, so my thinking is that this will add a layer of depth to the low end when I'm running a distorted or modulated bass sound. I can maybe kick up the distortion a bit while preserving the low end. I believe Justin Chancellor does some version of the wet/dry thing and I'm kind of curious to play with it.
I want, though, to keep the control of this sound with me and my rig. I don't want to run extra bass lines to the FOH and depend on them to make it sound good. So my idea was to run out from the 11R (from the XLR main outs) and the Ampeg (the XLR DI) into a rackmountable line mixer and mix the sound there myself. And then run out from the line mixer to the FOH.
Any thoughts or ideas? I'm just curious to bounce this off someone else before I spend any money on anything. I've looked at these as possible line mixers:
Thanks for any thoughts or advice you guys might have.
try it, let me know how it goes. I have similar gear (and a lot more) kicking around and would love to have a plan...
I've done the wet dry rig. Hiwatt DR-103 into Marshall 4x12 for distortion and effects, blended with a SVT head driving an 810.
I've also done the clean blending effects rig using a Boss LS-2 and Radial Big Shot Mix to do so.
in the end I've come to the conclusion that it's overkill to the nth. degree and in the end completely not worth the effort.
if all you're looking for is more bottom end to your signal, an eq does that amazingly well, I've added eq pedals to my rig and prefer it actually.
Thanks for the feedback. And yeah, it's crossed my mind that I might be setting myself up for extra work with little payoff. But I'm thinking it might be easy for me considering I can run both the 11R and the Ampeg PF500 DI with no need for a cabs if I wanted to omit that step. That's where the line mixer would come into it so FOH is still just receiving one bass signal.
Although, phase 2 of my plan was going to be building a Bill Fitzmaurice Jack 115 for the dry and a 112 for the wet.
Okay, doing more reading and researching about getting the wet/dry signals and blending them, I came across the 4 cable method. I've run my 11R into my PF500 and the above question of running a wet 11R and a dry PF500 into a line mixer has become a moot point. This sounds awesome.
I'm still playing with it and fiddling with the FX loop levels on both the 11R and the PF500, but I'm getting some excellent sounds.
A lot of the reading I did related was to guitarists using the 11R and most suggested killing the amp sims in the 11R and just using the FX. But coming through my Bill Fitzmaurice Jack 212 with the amp sims a'blazin', it just sounds sweet. I'm blending that nice deep clear sound of the Ampeg head in with the effects and amp sims and it just sounds terrific.
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