The 70s tone

CaptainTuna · #1 03-16-2013, 04:21 AM

Hey guys,

I'm trying to get the "70s tone" out of my bass, I'm not totally sure on how to describe it properly, but some of its features are:
-you can't hear the twangy highs or fret noise
-it's kind of "punchy", as in low-mids boosted

Some examples of what I mean could be:

Starman, by David Bowie ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B5zmDz4vR4 )
I'm a Man, covered by Chicago ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvmeEyVd5w8 )
Frankenstein, by Edgar Winter Group ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1mV_5-bRPo )

Of course these are just some examples which I choose because you can hear the bass pretty well.
What amazes me is that you can always hear the bass flawlessly and without the twangy-like sounds I don't look too much except in some more progressive style rock.

What I've tried so far:

-Flatwounds. I bought D'Addario chromes, and I later found that they actually have a bright sound, so this might have been a mistake.
-Pick. I use a pick most of the time lately. I try to play between the neck pickup and the neck.
-Boosting frequencies, even if I'm not 100% on how to do this and I usually end up messing too much with my tone.

I still can't get what I'm looking for. Do consider though, that my hardware is pretty limited due to being a student

. I mainly use my bass with a fender '68 P pickup and my SansAmp BDDI clone (self made, should resemble the behringer v-tone more than the SansAmp actually) and I use my laptop for EQing and compressing.

Have you got any ideas to help me achieve that kind of tone? I've tried explaining what my hardware consists so that you could probably give me some more specific ideas.

Thank you!

BuffaloBass · #2 03-16-2013, 04:32 AM

Man, it isnt any more than a picked P bass with the tone rolled off.

tbirdsp · #3 03-16-2013, 02:41 PM

Might want to try the old foam mute under the strings at the bridge trick.

I have the Chromes on my Squier 50's P and can get that sound.

air_leech · #4 03-16-2013, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BuffaloBass

Man, it isnt any more than a picked P bass with the tone rolled off.

+1

I'd also add nickel plated strings to the receipt.

geddeeee · #5 03-16-2013, 05:30 PM

It's all to do with tube amps. You just can't duplicate that 'creamy thump' you get from a passive tone stacked tube amp. Most players used roundwound strings too, even though a lot of people nowadays swear they are flat wounds.

Try a Marshall VBA 400 or Orange AD200B and you'll have THAT tone dialled in within seconds of plugging in.

The Sansamp or BDDI won't do you any favours either. It colours the intrinsic tone of the bass too much. You would get closer by going direct from your bass. The 'un-coloured' P-bass sound is what you are going for.

A lot of bass players make the mistake of using boxes or FX to try and dial in a certain sound, when their sound is already there, directly from the bass.

Keeping it simple will usually get you there...

Good luck!!!

**bassboysam** · #6 03-16-2013, 05:33 PM

The tone knob on your bass is your friend. Don't be afraid to use it.

rodl2005 · #7 03-16-2013, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bassboysam

The tone knob on your bass is your friend. Don't be afraid to use it.

This.
& older flats, & foam mute/ foam under strings near bridge:thumbup:

**mjac28** · #8 03-16-2013, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by geddeeee

It's all to do with tube amps. You just can't duplicate that 'creamy thump' you get from a passive tone stacked tube amp. Most players used roundwound strings too, even though a lot of people nowadays swear they are flat wounds.

Try a Marshall VBA 400 or Orange AD200B and you'll have THAT tone dialled in within seconds of plugging in.

The Sansamp or BDDI won't do you any favours either. It colours the intrinsic tone of the bass too much. You would get closer by going direct from your bass. The 'un-coloured' P-bass sound is what you are going for.

A lot of bass players make the mistake of using boxes or FX to try and dial in a certain sound, when their sound is already there, directly from the bass.

Keeping it simple will usually get you there...

Good luck!!!

+1 Just research what players had available back then? very few were using effects.

Interceptor · #9 03-16-2013, 07:58 PM

Precision or Jazz (neck only pick up) pick and roll off some tone. Flats - Chromes or TI Jazz Flats. Use a passive DI like a JDI, Switchcraft or roll one up with a top shelf transformer. A little compression doesn't hurt, either. As far as eq, sensible high pass and low pass to roughly band shape are all that's needed.

FWIW, my tone is in exactly that same grouping, except for the pick based bark.

Stone Soup · #10 03-16-2013, 07:59 PM

P with flats and a pick for the Chicago and the Edgar Winter, for sure. No tone rolled off. I'm hearing a good amount of overdrive on the David Bowie.

tbplayer59 · #11 03-16-2013, 09:05 PM

Peter cetera did an interview in bass player a few years ago. He tasked about his gear some.

Tuned · #12 03-17-2013, 03:48 PM

Short scale helps too, plus a fat warm tube head, Ampeg being the obvious example.

CaptainTuna · #13 03-18-2013, 03:09 PM

Wow, thanks for all the answers.

I followed your advices and my sound is much closer to what I was trying to describe. I took off the BDDI clone and rolled off the tone.
Other things that helped me a lot as well were playing closer to the bridge, specifically around where the P pickup is. My lighter plectrum also gives me a much punchier sound than my thicker one.

Unfortunately, I still can't get exactly what I'm looking for, but that's probably because some gear is missing. I got particularly amazed by this track lately:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PvN7ujfj2w
I still can't manage to get it as punchy as he does...his tone simply amazes me. I'm gonna search for the interview suggested above and see what I can find. Probably, as many said, the tubes could help (and the DI as well), haven't got much money though.

One thing I'm not sure of though is the foam or, in general, string muting. It seems to take away the presence from my sound and deafen the strings way too much for them to stay punchy as I want them, but maybe that's just me!

Thank you once again, I'll post some audio samples as soon as I get my hands on my audio card.

Mushroo · #14 03-18-2013, 03:20 PM

According to Wikipedia, "Feelin' Stronger Everyday" was recorded at Caribou Ranch, which used Olive and, later, Neve desks. I found this thread titled "The 'sound' of Caribou Ranch" for you, hope it is informative: http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-mu...bou-ranch.html

Here is a video clip of Chicago recording at Caribou Ranch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCAbdNXx2sE

I don't hear anything "special" on the track, just your basic 70s analog sound.

Stone Soup · #15 03-18-2013, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainTuna

Unfortunately, I still can't get exactly what I'm looking for, but that's probably because some gear is missing.

The only gear that is missing is a good set of flats. That and not rolling the tone control off.

It's rare, in my experience, that an recording engineer will ask me to "roll off the tone control". As a matter of fact, it has never happened.

But do what you want.

rodl2005 · #16 03-18-2013, 07:50 PM

Re the foam muting- could perhaps try less of it, resulting in less muting

JimmyM · #17 03-19-2013, 09:34 PM

Peter Cetera used a Precision into an Ampeg B-15N in the studio and SVT's for live work. Dan Hartman used a Precision and an SVT for live work, but no idea what he used in the studio. Trevor Bolder used a bunch of different basses into Marshalls. I have been able to get similar sounds with pedals, but nothing quite does it as well as a tube amp.