in ear monitor question

bassplayerbob · #1 06-22-2011, 09:58 AM

Looking into a set of mipro MI-808 in ears. I have never heard of them but a google search turned up a bunch of sound companies and country artists that use them, rascal flats for example. Anyone have any experience with these?

jaywa · #2 06-22-2011, 10:16 AM

No experience with the model you reference, but I do know it is extremely easy to spend WAY more than you need to on earbuds.

Do your research and use the Search the feature on TB as I would guess there are at least 20 threads discussing the pros and cons of various earbud models already.

bassplayerbob · #3 06-22-2011, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jaywa

No experience with the model you reference, but I do know it is extremely easy to spend WAY more than you need to on earbuds.

Do your research and use the Search the feature on TB as I would guess there are at least 20 threads discussing the pros and cons of various earbud models already.

I did. All I found was info on the popular name brands. I found a site that sells them for 800 bucks and someone locally has a setup for 350 used with an extra body pack. Btw this the whole system, not just the buds. I noticed my post made it look that way.

Vinny D · #4 06-22-2011, 11:36 AM

Don't do it Bob

Unless you are going to spend the money and get a quality in-ear setup, don't waste your money.

I work with too many people insisting on using there IEM after I beg them not to, after the first 2-3 songs these same people are asking me to just set a wedge up in front of them because they can't f'n hear.

The biggest issue I always find is that nobody seems to be able to hear!
Everyone is constantly pulling them from there ears, putting them back in, there vocal ability gets diminished beyond belief.

I guess if you take your time, buy quality IEM's and take the time to set them up properly *before* you take them out and use them at a venue they may work for you.

If you want some fine examples of locals give me a call

Remember the singer from 31-spline........just sayin...

modulusman · #5 06-22-2011, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny D

Don't do it Bob

Unless you are going to spend the money and get a quality in-ear setup, don't waste your money.

I work with too many people insisting on using there IEM after I beg them not to, after the first 2-3 songs these same people are asking me to just set a wedge up in front of them because they can't f'n hear.

The biggest issue I always find is that nobody seems to be able to hear!
Everyone is constantly pulling them from there ears, putting them back in, there vocal ability gets diminished beyond belief.

I guess if you take your time, buy quality IEM's and take the time to set them up properly *before* you take them out and use them at a venue they may work for you.

If you want some fine examples of locals give me a call

Remember the singer from 31-spline........just sayin...

If you are in a band doing your own sound then IEMs work fine because you can get them dialed in. If you are in a band that has to hire a soundman when you play it isn't a good option unless you have your own monitor board.

bassplayerbob · #6 06-22-2011, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vinny D

Don't do it Bob

Unless you are going to spend the money and get a quality in-ear setup, don't waste your money.

I work with too many people insisting on using there IEM after I beg them not to, after the first 2-3 songs these same people are asking me to just set a wedge up in front of them because they can't f'n hear.

The biggest issue I always find is that nobody seems to be able to hear!
Everyone is constantly pulling them from there ears, putting them back in, there vocal ability gets diminished beyond belief.

I guess if you take your time, buy quality IEM's and take the time to set them up properly *before* you take them out and use them at a venue they may work for you.

If you want some fine examples of locals give me a call

Remember the singer from 31-spline........just sayin...

Oh yeah! Robin has a set and never uses them, but rich jesuino swears by his. His whole band uses them and yes, I did plan on getting some some good buds for them. That's why I considered this one due to the price. Rich mentioned dual driver ear buds. Very clear and uncolored. We only have 2 monitors and 4 vocal crammed in them. Robin is constantly complaining she can hear everyone bu herself. It becomes a screech fest up there. I just want my vocals sent to me.

slamsinger · #7 06-22-2011, 12:29 PM

Yeah bob I do swear by them.... And here's a few reasons why....not in any particular order btw
A..... No wedges looks cleaner and more professional
B....I put ANYTHING I want in them
C.....I have about NO stage volume which means I get more bass in the mains....(which all bassists love :-)
D.....I hear EVERY NOTE PLUCK STRING SLIDE ETC PERFECT!
E.....you lock in with the kick drum 100 times better....
That being said.... I use shure psm200 (entry level).... They work perfect!!!! I do suggest a GOOD set if buds!
Westone um2's are amazing!
You can get a low budget system and get nice buds they make ALL the difference
The psm200 has 2 inputs....I put a mix on input 1 and my bass on input 2.....I control the both......
Just my thoughts :-)

**travep** · #8 06-22-2011, 12:30 PM

Until I had a *really* good sound guy mix us, I never got a good sound. It hurt my playing b/c it sounded so sterile. I could hear...it just sounded thin. I even returned the original model I bought & bought one with super bass response. In the end, it made no difference. You can buy monitors that allow you to dial in room ambiance & I believe that is the key. The guy that finally hit it for me actually set up room monitors & gave me a channel so I could dial that up (my monitors don't have a setting to allow room sound). These are expensive, though.

Also, everyone's ear canal is different. Mine are very thin & so even my custom fit monitors slime out of there on the rivers of ear wax my filthy ears produce. This produces a poor fit & if they aren't totally blocking out everything then they don't work...you have to turn up all the channels & it muddies the sound. These setups are popular in church settings b/c the sound guys don't have to manage stage sound...they push that to the players to dial in as they wish and they can focus on the FOH. This is great for levels but doesn't help me (not an accomplished knob-twister) get good sound.

This is totally an opinion...I only have experience with the $300 versions of these tools. If you aren't going to spend the $800+, try to avoid them. If you can't, don't bet the farm that those "super crossovers" are going to deliver tons of bass response. For me, I just don't get a good enough seal for the tone.

Good Luck!

bassbrad · #9 06-22-2011, 12:31 PM

FWIW IEM systems are great but they are not plug and play, you really have to work together to get it dialed in for everyone. Both of the situations I play in that use IEMs have stellar monitor folks and that's almost the only job they do. In one case he's also the road manager and the other case she runs the lights. Expecting the FOH to also do your iem monitor mix is a mistake and if you DIY forget about it.

bassplayerbob · #10 06-22-2011, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slamsinger

Yeah bob I do swear by them.... And here's a few reasons why....not in any particular order btw
A..... No wedges looks cleaner and more professional
B....I put ANYTHING I want in them
C.....I have about NO stage volume which means I get more bass in the mains....(which all bassists love :-)
D.....I hear EVERY NOTE PLUCK STRING SLIDE ETC PERFECT!
E.....you lock in with the kick drum 100 times better....
That being said.... I use shure psm200 (entry level).... They work perfect!!!! I do suggest a GOOD set if buds!
Westone um2's are amazing!
You can get a low budget system and get nice buds they make ALL the difference
The psm200 has 2 inputs....I put a mix on input 1 and my bass on input 2.....I control the both......
Just my thoughts :-)

Hey Rich, the guy selling his is from down your way near 102. The price seems good but I never heard of the brand. Like I said, looking them up I found prices from 600-800 range. He wants half that with 2 body packs

Vinny D · #11 06-22-2011, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bassplayerbob

We only have 2 monitors and 4 vocal crammed in them. Robin is constantly complaining she can hear everyone bu herself. It becomes a screech fest up there.

Thats why you should just hire me

Never any complaints when I mixed you in a band before.

bassplayerbob · #12 06-22-2011, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vinny D

Thats why you should just hire me

Never any complaints when I mixed you in a band before.

Very true my friend! I gave the boss all your info. Hopefully she will use it!

Vinny D · #13 06-22-2011, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slamsinger

Yeah bob I do swear by them.... And here's a few reasons why....not in any particular order btw
A..... No wedges looks cleaner and more professional
B....I put ANYTHING I want in them
C.....I have about NO stage volume which means I get more bass in the mains....(which all bassists love :-)
D.....I hear EVERY NOTE PLUCK STRING SLIDE ETC PERFECT!
E.....you lock in with the kick drum 100 times better....
That being said.... I use shure psm200 (entry level).... They work perfect!!!! I do suggest a GOOD set if buds!
Westone um2's are amazing!
You can get a low budget system and get nice buds they make ALL the difference
The psm200 has 2 inputs....I put a mix on input 1 and my bass on input 2.....I control the both......
Just my thoughts :-)

Shouldn't you be Battery Singer now

slamsinger · #14 06-23-2011, 06:55 AM

Lol vinny...... Bob what brand is the system for sale??

jaywa · #15 06-23-2011, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by modulusman

If you are in a band doing your own sound then IEMs work fine because you can get them dialed in. If you are in a band that has to hire a soundman when you play it isn't a good option unless you have your own monitor board.

This.

My band is 100% IEM. At least 9 out of 10 gigs we play we use our own P.A., and on the gigs where we're using a third-party P.A. and soundman we still tap our board into the system so we can control our own IEMs. It sometimes adds time to the setup and causes extra work for the house sound guy but that's the only set-up we'll work with based on our monitoring needs.

bassplayerbob · #16 06-23-2011, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slamsinger

Lol vinny...... Bob what brand is the system for sale??

Its an MI Pro 808. I found some info online about them. The specs seem consistent with all the current popular brands out there and it came with 2 receivers. It runs 2 separate mixes in stereo or I can send a single mono mix to both receivers. They seem to be big in the country circuit. Rascal flatts tours with them. The earbuds are stock. I got it last night for 3 bills. Looks like new.