In Ear Rig
Hey, In Ears seems to be a very popular topic so I thought I would share the system that I have set up for my band. The feedback from the other members has been really positive and after a month of tweaking I think its pretty low maintenance now..
I have a MOTU Traveller MKIII as the main interface which I then connect a Focusrite OctoPre via TOSLINK to provide additional balanced in's.
I have four vocals going into the XLR In's on the Traveller with Bass (2 x MarkBass F500), Drums and Rhythm guitar connected to the OctPre. The guitar is connected via a Behringer Ultra G 100 cabinet sim out of the pre-amp (EVH 5150 III).
The lead guitar connects into two 1/4" connections of the Traveller out of the amp sim on the Marshall Head.
I have Main Out 1 & 2 of the Traveller that I leave for use as a Main Out for recording and then set up 4 stereo outs for use with the IEM.
The whole thing is controlled with the CueMixFX software that comes with the MOTU products. From this, I can set up 8 separate mixes, one for each band member plus one for input into Pro-Tools for us to record shows or rehearsals.
CueMixFX is fantastic. The built in Compressor and EQ are superb. I have put some compression on the vocals to bring them up in the mix and I have used the HPF to cut out some bottom end noise. These really tighten up the sound.
The really cool thing about the set up is that once the config from CueMixFX is saved to the Traveller, there is no need to have my MacBook connected unless I want to record. Not necessarily good for FOH work, but as the ear mix doesn't change much it is a great "set and forget" thing.
The whole system fits in a 2U Rack, but I have installed a couple of Wireless Systems so have it in a 4U. Still pretty compact. There is an iPAD app that can be used to remotely control CueMixFX if your laptop is running which means that I can control a mix from my mic stand if I need to. Or the other members can control their own mix if they run it from theirs as well.
The only other thing I have done is to get a Stage Box and Snake. The Stage Box has a splitter in it as well, with two snakes (one is removable). I have one snake to connect into the IEM system and the other one is used to provide a separate signal to the FOH if they want it.
I really like it. The sound mix is just like being in a studio, plus we get the opportunity to multi-track record whenever we choose to.
The picture shows my bass rig on top of the IEM rig at rehearsal.
Sweet. Nice job, it’s clean looking too.
What was the total. Cost? Thanks
Is any part of your set up for use at live gigs?
I can't tell from reading your post if the gear you describe is solely for the studio, or also for live use at gigs.
My band recently purchased a wireless in ear system. Everyone is buying their own in ear phones since the ones it came with, as appears to be common, are not any good. The issue is that I am not comfortable with using the in ear phones. I much prefer to hear the sound coming out of my amp as well as through the floor monitors. We are a cover band. I frequently change my sound from song to song. I can't hear the subtleties in the changes I make, through the in ear phones. Additionally, I am getting complaints that I am too loud. It seems to me that if I have in ear monitors I'll never know how loud I am to watch the volume since all I will hear is what is coming through the in ear phones. Our sound guy says we will only have one single mix that we will set up at our rehearsal space, that will remain unchanged, that we will use when we play out. Meaning, I will never be able to change anything ever the way he's setting it up. I want to just keep using a floor monitor. Thoughts?
If done correctly, you should be able to hear nuances in your playing much BETTER thru the in-ears. If you can't, something's wrong with your setup.
Why do you need to know what your amp volume is if you have a sound man? Just go quiet on stage and let him handle it out front.
Also, my experience is that live, small adjustments in my in-ear mix need to be made nightly. Mics angled differently on a guitar rig alone can set the level off, not to mention drums, room acoustics, etc. You need to have a system in place so that adjustments can be made.
We have a similar IEM and backing track setup using different components but the same philosophy with a splitter for the house. The biggest problem is that, unless you are using your own PA, many venues do not want to spend the time rerouting their stage cables to your box to pick up signal for FOH...especially if you are in a multiple band setting which we often find ourselves in being an original band. There are a few clubs we play that know our system and can/are willing to adapt for us. There are a few clubs that will reroute the returns to our box to use our IEM's but in this case house sound man ends up doing our IEM mix. But the majority and especially festivals are not IEM friendly and we end up using wedges.
Sorry for the delay.
The stage box was around $1500 and we do get occasions where the FOH frequently don't want to use it.
The MOTU and the Octo together were around $2000.
While this was expensive, it was cheaper than an analog desk at the time and offered the added benefit of allowing us to record as well.
I'm not sure why you would only get one sound. Whatever I change my amp to will come through to the IEM. Also, I can have multiple configurations set to allow for various EQ settings that I can load at the start of each gig.
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