In ear rig set up question
I have a tone hammer head and carvin in ears. When playing live, direct out feed goes to the FOH board. How, and where in the signal chain, do I grab a signal to feed my in ear system? Split the direct out feed from the TH? Take a feed from the effects loop?
Let me also say that i would like the tone from my head in my in ears and not just a direct bass sound, so using a direct box or Rolls PM unit before the tone hammer won't do that
No, you get one of the fold back/monitor feeds.
If your IEM system has an "out", then you can go amp di-IEM in- IEM out- board in.
My plan is to run bass signal, vocals and monitor feed from board into a small mixer (mackie 402 or small behringer) that will then feed my in ears. I have a splitter for the mic signal. Would like to control my own bass signal going to in ears and not rely on FOH sound guy sending me back my monitor mix. The monitor feed I will use from the board is everyone else but me
The Rolls PM351 looks interesting but the inst input on the unit is 1/4 in. I could do direct signal out from ToneHammer to instrument in on Rolls, then use the instr thru xlr jack to the FOH board. Would have to use and xlr to 1/4 adapter though. Would that effect tone going to FOH though?
We have a somewhat similar setup and I am able to accomplish what you want. However, I use a Sansamp PBDI pedal instead of a tone Hammer. The setup is somewhat confusing to explain with words alone, but actually simple and very flexible. I am able to separately control the volumes from monitor send and bass. It all fits in a 3-space rack. The only warning, there is a Behringer in the setup. I would never buy anything Behringer, but I had this piece already before I set up the bass rig. I believe if a Behringer is racked, it can be trusted. I've been using this setup for over 6 years with no problems.
Sansamp PBDI has two outs. XLR Out > FOH.
Sansamp PBDI 1/4" Out > Channel 1 of Behringer 4 channel MultiCom compressor.
MultiCom Channel 1 XLR Out > bass power amp. 1/4 Out > Channel 2
Channel 2 XLR Out to Carvin IE
Monitor Mixer XLR or 1/4 signal > MultiCom Channel 3
Channel 3 XLR Out > Carvin IE
Channel 3 1/4 Out > drummer
Channel 4 unused.
With this setup, I can provide a monitor signal to the drummer or other band members. I control volume of mixer send vs. bass to my in ears. I get compression to my in-ears for comfortable sound. Because everything is racked, there is no wiring to be done All I need is the mixer signal and some electricity and I'm playing. On smaller gigs, I have used Channel 4 to provide compression for the FOH mixer.
BTW, here's a pic of the setup. The top is ART 1-space power amp. Then, Carvin In-ear rig. Then, Behringer Multi-com. Attachment 360060
Not sure if this helps, but here's what I do for most of my gigs, which are generally on smaller stages.
I run my Lakland Joe Osborn direct via MXR M-80 DI/preamp
Sure P4HW "wired" bodypack into AUX 2 input of mixing console. Mono, left channel only (but in both ears), panned hard left.
Shure SE215 in ear buds.
Then, I set my own mix. Lots of bass, and just a little of other instruments. Sounds great!!
Often times I do not even bother to bring an amp.
Hope this helps...
Here's mine, which is actually iOS based. Bass to Audio Technica wireless, wireless to TC Electronics Intelligent Harmonizer, then to Focusrite iTrack Solo to iOS device to process in JamUp ProXT. From there, the signal comes out of the RCA - 1/8" into an Art Cleanbox Pro, channel 1. That send is balanced at the CBP and goes to the board/snake.
The return send (XLR) comes back to me from my monitor mix into Channel 2 of the Art Cleanbox Pro to unbalance the signal and that goes into a Digitech Studio S100 (just for compression, Noisegate and EQ), then into a BBE362 Sonic Maximizer and then to my IEM transmitter to my bodypack to a set of Shure SE215s. We run this rig in small clubs and large stages including festivals. Never had an issue with an unfamiliar soundman not being able to provide me with a good signal and a good mix for the monitoring side, so I don't bother splitting my bass signal out and sending it to my own mixer. Besides, I'd also have to split and send my own vocals.
What you could do, on the side, is build a passive splitter box that you plug all your stage inputs into, that will send your signal both to FOH and to a separate board, from which you can also use for rehearsals, etc. With a system set up like that, your monitor system will never change. However, if you're doing multi-band festivals, don't expect to get a sound guy to undo all his sends to his snake, plug them into your passive splitter, and then re-send them to his snake. But for regular gigs where you may not always be dealing with a familiar sound company, this could give you some more control and consistency with the entire band's monitor mixing needs.
Thanks for the replies... Should have clarified that I am using a tone hammer head into 2 aggie cabs, not the tonehammer pedal (which I also have bit am not using in this setup). only have the following outputs available to me off of the head:
Direct out xlr
Tuner out 1/4"
Effects loop out 1/4"
I also took it out of the rack and put it on top or next to my pedalboard at my feet depending on the room on stage that way if I need "more me" or more overall monitor levels I don't have to walk over to the rack.
Easy way to do it would be to split your DI out of your head (assuming that is the DI you feed FOH with). Something like: http://www.fullcompass.com/product/2...FUVk7AodiX0AqA
I take the effects out to a Rolls 351. Aux line out from board to the 351. Works pretty good.
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