Eden 410XLT???

Angelsbass · #1 07-01-2011, 12:15 PM

Hello fellow bass heads!!

I need help from experienced people such as yourselves. I have my set up but I am wanting to condence it. I'll start off with my head unit, its a GK 1001rb mark II + 1 Eden DT410 + 1 Eden D115, I love the sound but I here good things about the Eden 410Xlt, I hear the low frequencies are nice and the mids punchy, clear. My question to you folks is, would it be a good idea to replace my 2 cabs for the 1 Eden 410XLt?? I wonder if the sound would come to being close to my 4 10's & 1 15"?? I would appreciate all your opinions and comments.

I had also considered the Aguilar gs410? but I LOVE the sound of my Eden. BTW my axe is a Fender American Jazz Deluxe.

Thanks in advance for all your help fellows

perfektspace6 · #2 07-03-2011, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Angelsbass

My question to you folks is, would it be a good idea to replace my 2 cabs for the 1 Eden 410XLt?? I wonder if the sound would come to being close to my 4 10's & 1 15"?? I would appreciate all your opinions and comments.

I had also considered the Aguilar gs410? but I LOVE the sound of my Eden. BTW my axe is a Fender American Jazz Deluxe.

To answer your question, yes.

I currently have a 410xlt that I purchased about 10 years ago. At one point I also had a 115xlt to go with it. Eventually, I sold the 15 b/c I felt it didn't add much to the low end and there wasn't much reason to hold onto it otherwise.

The 410xlt is an outstanding cab that doesn't need a partner unless you are dead set on the look of a stack. It handles enough power to be loud enough by itself and reproduces the B string very nicely. Quick response and, for me, 0 problems in over a decade of use. The only downside is the weight.
For that reason, if I were to buy a new cab I would seriously look at the Epifani 310ul or 410ul.

Rocksolid · #3 07-03-2011, 10:30 PM

Eden 410xlt - the cab which all other 410's are measured against. The only reason I don't have mine anymore is because I got hold of a 610xlt...

TimmyP · #4 07-04-2011, 06:26 PM

The best low end I've experienced from bass cabs has been from Hughes & Kettner and AcmeBass, with the AcmeBass having the most natural overall sound of any cab I've heard. The rest are all pretty close in terms of low end and overall sound - there's nothing special about any of them, and none of them produce a sound that is very close to the signal that's going in.

TomB · #5 07-04-2011, 07:10 PM

Absolutely, the 410XLT is a time-honored stand-alone cab. Mine is 8 ohms which I never find lacking in volume for my purposes, though I expect a 4 ohm cab would provide somewhat more headroom.

Gearhead17 · #6 07-05-2011, 03:13 PM

Is the 410t currently on top of the 115? If so, I bet you are getting the 10's closer to your ears. By putting the 410xlt on the floor, you are going to hear yourself a little less; might want to tilt the 410xlt towards your ears. The 410t is easily pushing more than the 115 you have, and the 410XLT is the next model up after that "T". Still a good choice, but I do not know if the one 410xlt cab will do it for you. No matter what, it's a good cab. Very loud too. Nice growl and midrange presence to it.

low2groove · #7 07-05-2011, 03:22 PM

I personally don't like 15's for bass and haven't used such a setup since I was 14 and into Kiss and Yes, go figure?

15's are a straight out rock speaker to me and I just don't get the punch that 10's give me.

I have two 4X10 XLT's @ 8ohm each, and one 4X10 XLT @ 4ohm. It depends on the club situation. Small clubs are always one cab.

I'd lose the 2 cabs and just get the one XLT 4X10.

WJGreer · #8 07-05-2011, 03:28 PM

The 410XLT is one of the two or three cabinets most likely to show up as backline. They're sturdy, they sound good, and parts are easily available when something goes wrong.

There are lighter 410 cabinets on the market, for sure. But the 410XLT is an industry standard, hard to go wrong.

JimK · #9 07-05-2011, 04:36 PM

Once upon a time, I owned-
Eden 4x10XLT (4 Ohms...larger venues)
Eden 2x10XLT (8 Ohms...smaller venues, rehearsals)

With the 2x10, something was missing..and then I added an Eden 1x15 (8 Ohms) to go w/ the 2x10.
Long story short-
I was a big 10" advocate...this Eden 15", though, had some punch (unlike the 15" cabs I remembered from the '70s).
Something was about to change.
I do not carrying like 2 cabinets.

Sold the 4x10XLT & the 2x10XLT.
Bought 1ea Bergie 322 (1X12 + 2x10).
Use the Eden 15XLT for rehearsals & old Skool R&B.

I would say the 2x10 + the 1x15 had more oomph than the 4x10.
Again, carrying 2 cabs was not for me.

Munjibunga · #10 07-05-2011, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Angelsbass

My question to you folks is, would it be a good idea to replace my 2 cabs for the 1 Eden 410XLt??

I had also considered the Aguilar gs410? but I LOVE the sound of my Eden.

Answer to first question, yes.

Second, you might like the GS410 better.

I've owned a D-410XLT and I still own a GS410. The Eden is a great cab, and its reputation is stellar, but the GS410 seems to me to be a little cleaner across the spectrum, with a little less mid hump. I like that. You may or may not. I strongly suggest you find a way to try both cabs.

Angelsbass · #11 07-06-2011, 02:55 PM

Thanks fellows!! soo many options. I guess I can't go wrong either way with Eden. I'm kinda leaning toward losing the 2 cabs and picking up the Eden D410XLT. I have to sell my cabs first! I just posted them up on craigslist.

David Eden D410T & D115T

I'll let you fellows know how it turns out.

Munjibunga · #12 07-06-2011, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Angelsbass

Thanks fellows!! soo many options. I guess I can't go wrong either way with Eden. I'm kinda leaning toward losing the 2 cabs and picking up the Eden D410XLT. I have to sell my cabs first! I just posted them up on craigslist.

David Eden D410T & D115T

I'll let you fellows know how it turns out.

Ooo. You can't advertise stuff for sale here unless you are a supporting member. We still love you, but ...

groove pump · #13 07-09-2011, 12:04 PM

Just wondering whether you've been able to do an informal Pepsi Challenge between your 4x10 and the XLT. Bells and whistles aside, I'd want to make sure that the XLT outclassed my current cab in performance as well as reputation before taking the plunge.

You might also want to sit with an XST - that one might have a different personality in the mids compared with the XLT. Your ears ought to know what's right when they hear it.

millsbass5 · #14 07-09-2011, 12:22 PM

I purchased mine (2 of'em,with a WT800) back in the mid-90's. Haven't used anything else since. I take that back. If we're playing smaller place,I'll go straight to the board. My band has a ridiculous amount of money invested in P.A. gear. You name it,we most likely will have it.
I want something else,but I have a sneaking suspicion I'd come back to this rig. I guess the old saying is true,"If it ain't broke,don't try to fix it."

Tunaman · #15 07-09-2011, 12:30 PM

You're going to get the smackdown from selling your gear here BUT I personally HATED the XLTs, just a huge mid range volume jump thats near impossible to get out... but if I were you I'd grab this Eden 410 cab new CHEAP.

Amazon.com: Eden E410XST8 E Series World Tour Bass Cabinet: Musical Instruments

Munjibunga · #16 07-11-2011, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Tunaman

You're going to get the smackdown from selling your gear here BUT I personally HATED the XLTs, just a huge mid range volume jump thats near impossible to get out... but if I were you I'd grab this Eden 410 cab new CHEAP.

Amazon.com: Eden E410XST8 E Series World Tour Bass Cabinet: Musical Instruments

Whoa. That is low. The 4-ohm is $150 more.

alexorn · #17 07-11-2011, 04:52 AM

Hey since i'm here I wanted to ask you guys. I have an Eden Wt800 and a D410XLT (4ohms) but I have been thinking about getting another cab just like it since I got a great deal on one just the other day.
My question is, will I have problems with the cab if I run the head in bridged mode since it is a lot more power than the cab can supposedly handle or should I get the other cab to go with it for the extra power?

For info, my gigs vary alot. Sometimes I play for lots of people on outdoor gigs and sometimes I play in a 50+ bar gig situation.

Munjibunga · #18 07-12-2011, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by alexorn

Hey since i'm here I wanted to ask you guys. I have an Eden Wt800 and a D410XLT (4ohms) but I have been thinking about getting another cab just like it since I got a great deal on one just the other day.
My question is, will I have problems with the cab if I run the head in bridged mode since it is a lot more power than the cab can supposedly handle or should I get the other cab to go with it for the extra power?

For info, my gigs vary alot. Sometimes I play for lots of people on outdoor gigs and sometimes I play in a 50+ bar gig situation.

If you run the cabs in parallel in bridge mode, you'd have a 2-ohm load. You can't run the amp bridged into a 2-ohm load without serious risk of a meltdown. However, you could run it in stereo with a 4-ohm cab on each channel and have plenty of power. If the WT-800 is a B or C model, you'd be getting 440 watts into each cab, which would be mondo loud.

Now, if you're talking about running in bridge mode to just one cab, you'll have 1,100 watts at your disposal, which definitely could blow your 700-watt cab if you're not careful. I've run that pair like that many times, but the instant you hear the cab start to distort, you have to turn the amp down. Right now I run a 900-watt amp into a 600-watt cab with no problems.

alexorn · #19 07-12-2011, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Munjibunga

If you run the cabs in parallel in bridge mode, you'd have a 2-ohm load. You can't run the amp bridged into a 2-ohm load without serious risk of a meltdown. However, you could run it in stereo with a 4-ohm cab on each channel and have plenty of power. If the WT-800 is a B or C model, you'd be getting 440 watts into each cab, which would be mondo loud.

Now, if you're talking about running in bridge mode to just one cab, you'll have 1,100 watts at your disposal, which definitely could blow your 700-watt cab if you're not careful. I've run that pair like that many times, but the instant you hear the cab start to distort, you have to turn the amp down. Right now I run a 900-watt amp into a 600-watt cab with no problems.

But what if I run the cabinets in series?
According to the manual that should make it an 8 ohm load and since I have the C model then the output would be just as much as with running one on either side. But I have heard that with running in bridged you get a fuller sound than in dual mono.

stingraysvt · #20 07-12-2011, 08:31 AM

The only thing I can say about the 410xlt (I used to have 3, I was going for the 4th when I found this out...) is that it is a very focused beast. I play very many 500-1500 seat clubs often with 2 410 XLT's and sound guys were constantly complaining about my volume

and because I was a nice guy, I'd turn down, but then I couldn't "feel" it anymore.

The setup kinda loses it's mojo past a certain volume point (of turning down), and I was being forced to this level night after night...

So, I got me a 2x112 rig and the the compliments have never stopped! Everyone loved the tone (volume) of my rig and I was pretty excited about it myself. I still have 2 410 XLT's, I use them to practice and they are killer cabs but probably too much horsepower for the average player.

Not sure what the physics of the Eden 410XLT's are but I ran this test in every room we played. I'd get the rig turned up to where I liked it onstage and we would walk out front still playing and listen to our volume mix coming off the stage and the Eden cabs, as much as I'd hate to admit it... were extremely loud.

In retrospect I should have kept the 3rd 410 because, when you have the WT-800 you need all 3 cabs... 2 4ohms cabs for the full stack to pull the most out of the amp! then 1 8ohm cab to use in bridge mode on smaller gigs... (WT-800 has a 8 ohm min rating on bridged mode) anyways enough with my 410XLT rant....