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Old 11-27-2012, 06:47 PM
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Hey- Just to muddy the waters a little..... I've been considering picking up a micro amp that has a good DI- and is safe to use without a speaker attached. I understand you can do this with the Aguilar tone hammer 350. Not much bigger than an active DI and add a small speaker and you got an amp if you need it
The Genz Benz Streamliner has a headphone out for practice, so I'm guessing you could run a gig just using the XLR out without harming the amp.
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:59 PM
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I wonder then - seems like a very common complaint (and usually the only complaint) about the BBDI is the lack of a mid control/sweepable mid.

Tech 21 doesn't seem interested in adding these features to the BDDI - but the Para Driver has both. So why choose the BDDI over the Para? Is it the simplicity? Or is that 'Ampeg big rig' sound only achievable by the BDDI?

I'd be very interested in hearing opinions from anyone who has used both direct to board, to see how they stack up.
Tech 21 says to boost the mids on the Bass Driver you should turn back the bass and the treble. I've never had a problem getting my mids to sing on the BDDI

After all you will be running into a console with more EQ control to boot, you just need to find a workable bass tone to send to FOH.

I always ran my signal flat, slight bass boost and the drive boosted and the blend wide open to the tube side. 3 gigs in a row the sound guys came up and said "All bass players should run direct with a Sans Amp!"

On the flip side I went to a church here 2 weeks ago and the bass was run direct with a Sans Amp, and it sounded phenomenal!
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Old 11-27-2012, 07:05 PM
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I've gone amp less for about 6 months (VT Bass Deluxe direct into PA). Gigged 3 times, plus weekly rehearsals, and I really don't miss an amp at all.

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...breeze to setup (30 minutes with soundcheck) and the "feeling" was really there because I was close to the subs. That's how I want to do every gig, maybe going IEM for bigger venues.
This is how I ended up the other night. Set up right next to the drummer's hi-hat with one sub right behind us. It was also my first shot at IEMs. I spent the whole night frankly shocked at how good everything sounded/felt. I agree with DonaldR, this is how I want to do every gig.
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:21 PM
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Hey- Just to muddy the waters a little..... I've been considering picking up a micro amp that has a good DI- and is safe to use without a speaker attached. I understand you can do this with the Aguilar tone hammer 350. Not much bigger than an active DI and add a small speaker and you got an amp if you need it
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Or a GK MB200.
Any solid state amp with DI out should work, but it never hurts to double check the manual. I used my Shuttle 6 as a DI/personal headphone monitor setup for a run of Hairspray last summer and it worked great. I've also done the same with my PF500 for a couple random gigs and both have been great options.

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Old 11-27-2012, 11:57 PM
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Tech 21 says to boost the mids on the Bass Driver you should turn back the bass and the treble. I've never had a problem getting my mids to sing on the BDDI
Surely not the same thing as 'boosting the mids', though? Wouldn't you just be better revealing the mids there were already present in your signal?
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:20 AM
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Hey- Just to muddy the waters a little..... I've been considering picking up a micro amp that has a good DI- and is safe to use without a speaker attached. I understand you can do this with the Aguilar tone hammer 350. Not much bigger than an active DI and add a small speaker and you got an amp if you need it
See my previous post
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A bit of a different approach for myself. Instead of carrying a preamp/DI I'm looking at a micro-head: TC BH250. I will have a DI, an EQ and Toneprint for compressor or whatever effect I want. I can carry 1-2 cab(s) depending of the gig. Only 3-4lbs, so pretty lite.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:19 AM
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The Genz Benz Streamliner has a headphone out for practice, so I'm guessing you could run a gig just using the XLR out without harming the amp.
I have done this quite a few times, no problems and it sounded great.
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:04 PM
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See my previous post
Thanks. Missed that the first time through.
I should say I've used the Sansamp BDI and VT bass as well as a Raven Labs PMB for ampless/direct to PA gigging and they all worked great. Lots of options here- it's pretty much about picking the device that will give you the tone you want.
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:24 PM
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I have been using the SansAmp ParaDriver DI for a while now, both direct to FOH and powering an amp, pending on the situation. Works pretty well for me, but as our sets expand, so do my needs for tone variety, so I just got a VT Bass Deluxe today.after reading this thread I decided to go revisit my Amplitube for iPad and purchased the B15R amp model.
WOW I am extremely impressed with the tonality and range of sounds in this virtual amplifier. It would actually be quite useable for a live gig as well as a project studio.
I never really got into Amplitube for iPad because I don't care much for the stock bass amp model that was included and I didn't know they released the B15R until reading this thread. There are some small details that are weird with the model though.
For instance, the ULTA Hi and Low switches a actually opposite of what they indicate i.e. the ultra low switch is actually the hi switch and vice versa.
Also the On/Off toggle is reversed. You toggle "Off" to turn the amp on. I don't know what these functions are reversed and I don't know that it is like this for everyone, but it certainly is the case for my copy.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:32 PM
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after reading this thread I decided to go revisit my Amplitube for iPad and purchased the B15R amp model.
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For instance, the ULTA Hi and Low switches a actually opposite of what they indicate i.e. the ultra low switch is actually the hi switch and vice versa.
Also the On/Off toggle is reversed. You toggle "Off" to turn the amp on. I don't know what these functions are reversed and I don't know that it is like this for everyone, but it certainly is the case for my copy.
I purchased the B15 model based on this thread as well and it actually made me want to revisit Amplitube as a viable ampless option, and am giving actual thought to upgrading from the iRig connector. I do wish a couple of the pedal models were better though... The tracking on the octaver is quite weak and I don't like the envelope filter AT ALL (I'm a filter junkie, owned or tried 22 so far ).

It's not just your copy... I emailed IK Multimedia and they're aware of the bugs and are working to fix it with the next update.

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Old 11-28-2012, 11:37 PM
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I've been working towards an ampless solution for some time now.

My main rig right now is Amplitube iOS (yes, my iPhone is my bass rig), straight to the board. I'm using Irig as my interface at the moment but am about to upgrade to the Apogee Jam. Only effects I'm using is compression and occasionally some light chorus.

I've got a separate mixer that I use for IEM.
Same solution as Rip, either iPad with Amplitube or my Sanamps
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The tracking on the Octaver is a joke, but there are uses for it (I'm just still looking for them!!).

The envelope filter has its uses but don't try to use it for autowah effects, it'll just suck. I use it as a notch filter of sorts, not always on but for a secondary tone. It's just ok.

The real key to success with AT iOS is the mastering section. Don't use the compressor pedals. Instead use the compressor built into the mastering section, it sounds GREAT and really makes AT come alive.

Glad to see we've sparked interest in Amplitube iOS. If you're running it on at least an iPhone 4S, you've it everything you need for a great DI.
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Old 11-29-2012, 07:42 AM
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I've done several shows with my bass (Roscoe with 3 band eq) into my PT Nano with tuner, Phase 90, EBS OCtave, and Catlinbread clean/dirty boost, into a JDI. The eq on the bass does the job nicely.

A couple of weeks ago, I picked up an AER Amp 3. I'm going to try it on a rock gig as a monitor, facing back at me, with DI out from it.
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I may have to go ampless, or bassless soon because I'll be homeless in 14 days. While you guys debate it for fun, some of us do it out of necessity.
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:55 AM
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The real key to success with AT iOS is the mastering section. Don't use the compressor pedals. Instead use the compressor built into the mastering section, it sounds GREAT and really makes AT come alive.
Thanks for the tip, I'll definitely check it out. I haven't explored the mastering section at all.

Edit: aw man, they make you buy the full 8-track recorder to use the global EQ/compressor.... Booooo. Lol

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Yeah I'm kinda burned about this situation myself. I'm running Amplitube iOS on an iPhone 4S, but plan on buying an iPad to free up my phone for.. Phone stuff.

Now I find out that I gotta buy all this **** AGAIN?!? IK has already greased me for the app once. I've got all the in-app stuff, probably close to $150 invested total, and if I switch to an iPad I gotta start over??

The iPhone 4S is a powerful machine. I guess if it all comes down to it, I really don't need an iPad.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:26 AM
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Ouch, that's a pretty hefty chunk to have to re-buy if you switch. At least you wouldn't have to re-buy the interface. But still, that really sucks. Too bad IK doesn't let you download the iPad version of the app if you already have the iPhone version. I wonder if you could just use the iPhone version on an iPad... You know, and hit the 2x button like in other apps. The screen would be lower resolution, but wouldn't the audio be the same?

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Old 12-09-2012, 09:11 PM
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Have used my GKMB115E direct to the PA (speaker off) many times, sounds great!
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:57 PM
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I actually like the Bass Driver pedal, it's a finely made, high quality product...but you guys already know that! LOL!
I tried a friends Bass Driver pedal- with a Euphonic Iamp 500 head, and an Accugroove cab. Sounded great.
It's just that in the incredibly varied live music- casino circuit here in Nevada, a mid control on my DI is essential. I also needed that A/B switching.
I do know about the Para Driver, but no one around here had one to try. If the Bass Driver had a mid control, even in a switch, it would be in my pedal bag right now.
For those interested in the BDDI but held back by the lack of mid control: Putnam Guitars offers a sweepable mid control mod to the BDDI for $60. You can send an older model in to be modded, or buy a new pedal from Mike directly.

http://www.putnamguitars.com/mods.htm

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My best effort at going ampless and still sounding like I've got an amp is with the Line 6 Bass Pod. I tried it once, to avoid having to lug my rig up two flights of stairs, and it sounded great. So I tried it a 2nd time on an outdoor stage at a festival. And again is sounded great. I use the Pod on those occasions where load in/out is brutal. But otherwise I use my MB rig.
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