I need Sub's, your thought's on Behringer B1800X'S

[Bobbo 77"]

Órale,
I need help, actually your opinion's on the Behringer B1800X Sub's. Are they worth using in conjunction with my Mackie SR 1530's? Can't afford the Mackie 18's, but need some low-end at a good price!
Bobbo

[Barisaxman]

What are you planning to use to power them? In live sound you must always remember...you get what you pay for. They'll work, but they won't do justice to a pretty decent set of tops. You'd be better off saving your money, renting for gigs, and buying something good when you have the cash to do it right.

[thesandman]

Rather than buy some cheap subs, get plenty of power for your mains. You'll be way ahead of the game. Don't waste your money on cheap gear.

[modulusman]

Originally Posted by thesandman

Rather than buy some cheap subs, get plenty of power for your mains. You'll be way ahead of the game. Don't waste your money on cheap gear.

I think his mains are active. I second the idea to save and get better subs. I have used mackie 1501s and they work really well and would match your existing tops. You might be able to find some used.

[baba]

Don't buy those subs. They are crap, and they will sound like crap. Buy higher quality gear used.

For cheap, I'd suggest used Yamaha SW118V subs. They can be had for $400-$450 a pair used and are a great value. If you could find a pair of used Yorkville subs with single 18's, that would also be a good option.

[stinger12345]

I'm going to bump this because I was wondering about these subs recently. Yeah, it's easy to get on the "F cheap behringer gear" train, but does anybody actually have any experience with them. My curiosity is due to the fact that there aren't many negative reviews for the subs on MF. I know that's not indicative of its true quality, but here's my logic...

Normally on cheaper gear like that (Behringer, Mackie, etc.), there would be some good reviews, but an overwhelming amount of bad ones. But for the Behringer, there aren't many bad ones at all. I'm just making sure people here have actually had experience with the (questionable) quality of these subs, rather than blindly continuing the Behringer paradigm because many other things they make are true to it.

Now, I'm still very n00b when it comes to frequency stats and all that fun stuff. On their website, it says, "40 Hz - 300 Hz frequency range (-10 dB), impedance 8 Ohms", and I feel like if I knew more about frequency, I'd be able to tell a lot more about the quality of these subs by those numbers alone.

[modulusman]

Originally Posted by stinger12345

I'm going to bump this because I was wondering about these subs recently. Yeah, it's easy to get on the "F cheap behringer gear" train, but does anybody actually have any experience with them. My curiosity is due to the fact that there aren't many negative reviews for the subs on MF. I know that's not indicative of its true quality, but here's my logic...

Normally on cheaper gear like that (Behringer, Mackie, etc.), there would be some good reviews, but an overwhelming amount of bad ones. But for the Behringer, there aren't many bad ones at all. I'm just making sure people here have actually had experience with the (questionable) quality of these subs, rather than blindly continuing the Behringer paradigm because many other things they make are true to it.

Now, I'm still very n00b when it comes to frequency stats and all that fun stuff. On their website, it says, "40 Hz - 300 Hz frequency range (-10 dB), impedance 8 Ohms", and I feel like if I knew more about frequency, I'd be able to tell a lot more about the quality of these subs by those numbers alone.

Maybe because people who actually have a clue about subwoofers wouldn't buy them. On the musicians friend website they had 4 reviews. 3 from DJs and one from an idiot who couldn't wait to get a bigger amp to see what they really can do. Enough said.

[JimmyM]

Originally Posted by stinger12345

I'm going to bump this because I was wondering about these subs recently. Yeah, it's easy to get on the "F cheap behringer gear" train, but does anybody actually have any experience with them. My curiosity is due to the fact that there aren't many negative reviews for the subs on MF. I know that's not indicative of its true quality, but here's my logic...

Normally on cheaper gear like that (Behringer, Mackie, etc.), there would be some good reviews, but an overwhelming amount of bad ones. But for the Behringer, there aren't many bad ones at all. I'm just making sure people here have actually had experience with the (questionable) quality of these subs, rather than blindly continuing the Behringer paradigm because many other things they make are true to it.

you don't think that's enough to sour on a company's entire product line without hearing it?

[stinger12345]

Originally Posted by modulusman

Maybe because people who actually have a clue about subwoofers wouldn't buy them. On the musicians friend website they had 4 reviews. 3 from DJs and one from an idiot who couldn't wait to get a bigger amp to see what they really can do. Enough said.

There's 21 reviews for it on the MF site, so I'm not really sure that's an accurate assessment.

It just seems to me that maybe Behringer got it right with these, but the personal experience doesn't seem high. Hopefully they'll have them at GC when I go sometime during the summer, they have a bunch of Behringer gear right?

[modulusman]

I read the reviews here. http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com...air?sku=600482 I see that the listing for a single sub has more reviews. If you decide to become a behringer crash test dummy let us no how it works out.

[Zooberwerx]

Originally Posted by baba

Don't buy those subs. They are crap, and they will sound like crap. Buy higher quality gear used.

For cheap, I'd suggest used Yamaha SW118V subs. They can be had for $400-$450 a pair used and are a great value. If you could find a pair of used Yorkville subs with single 18's, that would also be a good option.

I'll second both choices. We use a pair of budget Yorkie 1 X 18's ($400 for the pair) and power them with a QSC RMX 2450 in bridged mono. More than adequate for our purposes.

Buy used and locally. Subs are a PIA to ship so that gives you, the buyer, some bargaining leverage. Show up with a truck and friend and you'll be good to go!

Riis

[JackANSI]

I have heard the B1800 in person and it will do the job, but after the honeymoon is over you'll still end up getting something else. Probably whats already been mentioned.

I highly recommend a set of Yamaha SW118V.

[jimbilly]

My pro-audio engineer buddy recommended the B52 folded-horn subs, and I've been running a pair of those in the PA for about 3 years, and they are really good. The folded horn allows the wave to form inside the cabinet (so I'm told) and you'll still hear the low end up close to the cabinet. I think I'd rather have just one of these than 2 of most others. MF link, -not really endorsing MF, but these are them.
http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com...fer?sku=582073

[TimmyP]

The Mackie is likely the cheapest thing that will get the job done (although the old JBL MP418 is a decent box - if you can find anyone willing to sell some).

[cooljoebay]

Obviously some people like to be right so much that they don't know anything at all. I spent many years running sound using Peavey, EV, JBL, and plenty of other "name brand" speakers that were proven to kick butt. But things have changed since then. Behringer has had a rough time getting the quality of their equipment up to par with the professional level. But they have pretty much gotten there if you ask me. It doesn't matter where anything is made these days. Quality issues are pretty much the same everywhere anymore. You can buy a $5000 sub and end up with a dud. Performance wise, it is still all about specs. The Behringer B1800X subs have an RMS rating of 800 watts. The rest is peak power. I bought two of them and Behringer's EP4000 amp. So I run it bridged and using the passive crossover in the sub. These things kick butt really well. They have a really accurate and attractive sound. I bought two more soon after and another amp. I literally cracked the windows in my garage and that was without clipping. Nice LOUD clear sound. For that kind of money I wouldn't be stupid enough to bash Behringer. It's better than paying hundreds more just for the name brand logo plate on the cab.

[modulusman]

Originally Posted by cooljoebay

Obviously some people like to be right so much that they don't know anything at all. I spent many years running sound using Peavey, EV, JBL, and plenty of other "name brand" speakers that were proven to kick butt. But things have changed since then. Behringer has had a rough time getting the quality of their equipment up to par with the professional level. But they have pretty much gotten there if you ask me. It doesn't matter where anything is made these days. Quality issues are pretty much the same everywhere anymore. You can buy a $5000 sub and end up with a dud. Performance wise, it is still all about specs. The Behringer B1800X subs have an RMS rating of 800 watts. The rest is peak power. I bought two of them and Behringer's EP4000 amp. So I run it bridged and using the passive crossover in the sub. These things kick butt really well. They have a really accurate and attractive sound. I bought two more soon after and another amp. I literally cracked the windows in my garage and that was without clipping. Nice LOUD clear sound. For that kind of money I wouldn't be stupid enough to bash Behringer. It's better than paying hundreds more just for the name brand logo plate on the cab.

Yeah that must be why behringer offers a one year warranty while my QSC subs have one good for six years

[JumboJack]

Carvin.
http://www.carvinguitars.com/trxn/

[baba]

Originally Posted by cooljoebay

Obviously some people like to be right so much that they don't know anything at all. I spent many years running sound using Peavey, EV, JBL, and plenty of other "name brand" speakers that were proven to kick butt. But things have changed since then. Behringer has had a rough time getting the quality of their equipment up to par with the professional level. But they have pretty much gotten there if you ask me. It doesn't matter where anything is made these days. Quality issues are pretty much the same everywhere anymore. You can buy a $5000 sub and end up with a dud. Performance wise, it is still all about specs. The Behringer B1800X subs have an RMS rating of 800 watts. The rest is peak power. I bought two of them and Behringer's EP4000 amp. So I run it bridged and using the passive crossover in the sub. These things kick butt really well. They have a really accurate and attractive sound. I bought two more soon after and another amp. I literally cracked the windows in my garage and that was without clipping. Nice LOUD clear sound. For that kind of money I wouldn't be stupid enough to bash Behringer. It's better than paying hundreds more just for the name brand logo plate on the cab.

First post on this site, eh? How'd you end up on a bass site and find the first thing worth commenting on was a sub? Interesting...

Power ratings vary wildly between manufacturers. Given Behringer's biz practices, I'll imagine they rate their gear wattage on the extreme high end.

Power does not account for frequency response and sound quality.

Behringer's failure rate and warranty sucks.

Just sayin...for the price of a new Behringer sub there are many better used options.

[DWBass]

Not sure of the model but a band I was in a few years back had some Behringer subs. They seemed thin sounding in my opinion. Not much kick@$$ booty at all. They seemed to be well made and solid looking though. Probably could use a decent speaker in them.

[MrTAteMyBalls]

i've used the subs in question and i thought they weren't too bad. i'd say if new is the only option you have, and they are in your budget, for the price they are pretty good. but you could spend the same and buy a set of used yamaha's or even carvin or peavey that would probably be better.