IEM TRICKS - From Email requests. - Page 3

JCRob · #41 10-02-2012, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MNAirHead

I know this will be a ghetto temporary test.....

Find something to seal your ie30 better.... Until you get molds ....

As a test. I used gun range ear plug putty to make ear seals go ie10 and greatly improved the bass response

Hello... can you elaborate?? I'm trying to get a greater seal for my TF10s and haven't found a good replacement...

Thanks

MNAirHead · #42 10-02-2012, 09:20 AM

I only have a few minutes....

There is a ear plug putty sold at gun stores... it's intended to make ear plugs

basically mix it up (epoxy type) push it in your ear... push your iem in... form the putty around the iem.... then trim off the ear canal so you can hear...

It's about 80% of audiologist quality when done.

Putty is about $15

JCRob · #43 10-02-2012, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MNAirHead

I only have a few minutes....

There is a ear plug putty sold at gun stores... it's intended to make ear plugs

basically mix it up (epoxy type) push it in your ear... push your iem in... form the putty around the iem.... then trim off the ear canal so you can hear...

It's about 80% of audiologist quality when done.

Putty is about $15

Wow, this is new stuff... I'm outside U.S., so need a website!!!!
Can you give a photo tutorial??? I'll buy that stuff right away!

Thanks by the way

Oh I just read they're disposable...

But still, could be an option.

JCRob · #44 10-02-2012, 04:59 PM

I just saw this page... Is this advisable??

http://www.howtogeek.com/57481/how-t...-ear-monitors/

MNAirHead · #45 10-02-2012, 07:48 PM

Yep this is it

seamonkey · #46 10-02-2012, 08:18 PM

It's like this stuff
http://www.earfuze.com/store.html

But without the ear buds included.

KingRazor · #47 11-16-2012, 08:57 AM

Alright I had a couple more questions because I think the 351 could be the key to my church's setup.

How do you accomplish a "more me" mix for the drummer? Do you use a submixer? I'd rather avoid that if possible, unless they make 6 in 6 out pass-through mixer?

Has the lack of a limiter been an issue? I would hope the musicians would be smart enough not to crank the volume on anything too high but if there's feedback or interference or what have you going through the system, I want to make sure the musician's ears are protected.

MNAirHead · #48 11-17-2012, 12:25 PM

Howdy.

Few options...

1-IF the drummer doesn't sing... you could put an omni mic on the microphone input of the PM351... blend this mic with the main mix.

2-You could feed an Aux send and blend it with mains... this could be fed into the microphone input.... or if you wanted a complete mix (more work) ... the entire aux could be his blend.

3-SubMixer... headphone out to Rolls Microphone in.

4-foam ear pieces on the drummers headphones and let some ambient noise bleed through.

5-Electronic drums...

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Does the drummer practice with headphones & PM351 --- or are the acclimating on the job?

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With quality fitting IEM tenured drummers rarely need anything else than the main mix... drums are commonly very prominent in most mixes.

KingRazor · #49 11-19-2012, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MNAirHead

Howdy.

Few options...

1-IF the drummer doesn't sing... you could put an omni mic on the microphone input of the PM351... blend this mic with the main mix.

2-You could feed an Aux send and blend it with mains... this could be fed into the microphone input.... or if you wanted a complete mix (more work) ... the entire aux could be his blend.

3-SubMixer... headphone out to Rolls Microphone in.

4-foam ear pieces on the drummers headphones and let some ambient noise bleed through.

5-Electronic drums...

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Does the drummer practice with headphones & PM351 --- or are the acclimating on the job?

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With quality fitting IEM tenured drummers rarely need anything else than the main mix... drums are commonly very prominent in most mixes.

Drummer doesn't sing but they play in a cage so not sure if the omni-mic is the best option.

They don't practice with IEMs in usually. Only during rehearsals and the actual performances.

I figured an AUX with just drums would probably be the best option for "more me".

Electronic drums not an option in this case.

Cool, it looks like the 351 could work out well for us potentially. We're having a meeting next Sunday and I'll present the idea along with a couple of other things I've been looking into.

MNAirHead · #50 11-20-2012, 01:43 PM

1-"more me" could be accomplished via an Omni mic... not ideal.. but many times combined with the primary signal helps....

Also helps for people who are too loud.. turn them up in their iem.

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2-Practice...
Probably the biggest differentiator between my successful and failing installations is if people will use IEM 100% of the time for a month.

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Check to see if your church has an old "recording" or "splitter mixer" sitting around... commonly they were sold in the 80s & 90s to churches... many times they're white with a brand "AMR" on them... you then could do a submix and pass through to the foh.. more cables and weak links... solves what you're looking into... also uses abandoned gear.

KingRazor · #51 11-20-2012, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MNAirHead

1-"more me" could be accomplished via an Omni mic... not ideal.. but many times combined with the primary signal helps....

Also helps for people who are too loud.. turn them up in their iem.

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2-Practice...
Probably the biggest differentiator between my successful and failing installations is if people will use IEM 100% of the time for a month.

---

Check to see if your church has an old "recording" or "splitter mixer" sitting around... commonly they were sold in the 80s & 90s to churches... many times they're white with a brand "AMR" on them... you then could do a submix and pass through to the foh.. more cables and weak links... solves what you're looking into... also uses abandoned gear.

We actually pulled our old mackie analog mixer off stage, it used to be a monitor mixer of sorts. Our IEM situation has actually improved quite a bit since we moved it.

I think a drums AUX is probably the best way to go.

One thing I've realized in this quest I've been on for an IEM solution is that you don't have to put the whole band on the same units. You can approach each member differently. Some people will like the control of a mixer, others will be more than happy with a one-knob approach.

MNAirHead · #52 11-21-2012, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by KingRazor

We actually pulled our old mackie analog mixer off stage, it used to be a monitor mixer of sorts. Our IEM situation has actually improved quite a bit since we moved it.

I think a drums AUX is probably the best way to go.

One thing I've realized in this quest I've been on for an IEM solution is that you don't have to put the whole band on the same units. You can approach each member differently. Some people will like the control of a mixer, others will be more than happy with a one-knob approach.

With mixed staffing ---- mains + pm351 are sufficient for most applications ...... I've had better success with this than my presonus or aviom

The new mackie looks promising ---- limited by channels as doesn't have spdif stacking

KingRazor · #53 11-21-2012, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MNAirHead

With mixed staffing ---- mains + pm351 are sufficient for most applications ...... I've had better success with this than my presonus or aviom

The new mackie looks promising ---- limited by channels as doesn't have spdif stacking

Yeah I'm looking at mains + 351 for a few members, AudioTechnica M2 for those that need wireless. The drummer could have a whole submixer if they wanted, since it'll be hidden in the drum cage.

MNAirHead · #54 11-21-2012, 09:55 AM

Please report back on the AudioTechnica... I've not tested this one... have had emails...

Since the PSM200 is the "standard" this is the one that keeps popping up... The Nady not worth owning.

KingRazor · #55 11-21-2012, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MNAirHead

Please report back on the AudioTechnica... I've not tested this one... have had emails...

Since the PSM200 is the "standard" this is the one that keeps popping up... The Nady not worth owning.

The AT can allow you to balance between two mixes. Turn the knob one way for more me and the other way for main mix, more control than the single knob PSM or Sennheiser units.

http://eu.audio-technica.com/en/prod...29&prodID=2828

MNAirHead · #56 11-21-2012, 10:43 AM

King...

wouldn't a Rolls + PSM do the same

OR plugging your DI into one input of the PSM... and your bass in the other?

MNAirHead · #57 11-21-2012, 11:11 AM

Mixer + Limiter Discussion

Limiter for IEM

KingRazor · #58 11-21-2012, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MNAirHead

King...

wouldn't a Rolls + PSM do the same

OR plugging your DI into one input of the PSM... and your bass in the other?

The Audio Technica unit has two knobs on the pack itself, the PSM only has one knob on the pack, so in order to adjust your mix you'd have to walk over to the transmitter and adjust.

Having the AT unit you wouldn't need the 351 in the signal chain at all unless you needed control over more than two mixes.

Having control directly on the pack is nice because it reduces the amount of wiring by a lot and helps clean up the stage.

MNAirHead · #59 11-21-2012, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by KingRazor

The Audio Technica unit has two knobs on the pack itself, the PSM only has one knob on the pack, so in order to adjust your mix you'd have to walk over to the transmitter and adjust.

Having the AT unit you wouldn't need the 351 in the signal chain at all unless you needed control over more than two mixes.

Having control directly on the pack is nice because it reduces the amount of wiring by a lot and helps clean up the stage.

Understandable... I've not experienced needing a blend change after it's setup.... can understand if you'd have a fidgety sound guy at controls altering during the mix.

Please report back.

KingRazor · #60 11-21-2012, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MNAirHead

Understandable... I've not experienced needing a blend change after it's setup.... can understand if you'd have a fidgety sound guy at controls altering during the mix.

Please report back.

In my own experience people usually need an adjustment in their ears once every service. Might be something small but it's rare that they play a whole song set without wanting to adjust something, having it right there on their body pack makes that really easy.

We haven't bought anything yet though. We're going to meet this Sunday and hopefully decide then on what we want to try...

Before we were looking at the Roland M-48 system, which gives every member of the band a small mixer to mix 16 different stereo groups, has EQ, reverb, ambiant mic, the works. But it's crazy expensive and really, most musicians don't need that much control. Plus it would add a lot of stage clutter.