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[KingRazor]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

The only problem is that the Shure unit is like $500! That's a lot of cash just to add the limiter. If there's a way to use a rack mount limiter instead, it would be much more financially sensible.

The P2R by itself is only $290 and can be used wired.

[MNAirHead]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

The only problem is that the Shure unit is like $500! That's a lot of cash just to add the limiter. If there's a way to use a rack mount limiter instead, it would be much more financially sensible.

I got mine unused in a box for $200

There are other limiters avail - Alesis micro etc

Eventually most people then ask about going wireless

[KingRazor]

BTW the I can't make the limiter the last thing in the chain with our setup because the headphone amp comes after it. So we'd need something like the PSM to give people limiters at the end of the chain.

[MNAirHead]

Originally Posted by KingRazor

I've always had the AUX set to pre-fader. The faders never affect the monitors.

When I get an overly hot signal I turn its gain knob down, not the fader.

As a player (or victim), its advisable to remind folks that a large majority of supplied sound folks and or gear would be clueless to define your reply

The intuitive volume reduction is the fader - not the trim/gain

When planning an iem - we all should factor in some variety of self-controlled limiting

[MNAirHead]

Originally Posted by KingRazor

BTW the I can't make the limiter the last thing in the chain with our setup because the headphone amp comes after it. So we'd need something like the PSM to give people limiters at the end of the chain.

You're reasonably acceptable - there's still some calculated risk

The psm200 talk is to place the final on/off limiter in the hands of the player

[MNAirHead]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

The only problem is that the Shure unit is like $500! That's a lot of cash just to add the limiter. If there's a way to use a rack mount limiter instead, it would be much more financially sensible.

Last year....

When the guy kicked the rj45 on your aviom, the used psm200 probably would have seemed cheap compared to audiologist visit

A limiter before aviom channels would not have prevented this error

[KingRazor]

Originally Posted by MNAirHead

As a player (or victim), its advisable to remind folks that a large majority of supplied sound folks and or gear would be clueless to define your reply

The intuitive volume reduction is the fader - not the trim/gain

When planning an iem - we all should factor in some variety of self-controlled limiting

I keep a close eye on the signal meters throughout the service and turn down the gain knob whenever something gets too hot. Since we're all digital, I refuse to let anything red light. Digital is not nearly as forgiving as analog when it comes to clipping.

So if I see the meter jump up, even if it doesn't sound very much louder through the mains, I turn the gain down until it's at a reasonable signal level, then move the fader to compensate.

This way, the level is correct throughout the signal chain, instead of just through the mains.

[Rip Topaz]

Originally Posted by KingRazor

The P2R by itself is only $290 and can be used wired.

Good to know, thanks. Still a bit pricey though, just for the limiter.

Still, if its gonna save my ears, I'll spend the cash.

[Rip Topaz]

Wait, so I just looked at the P2R on Amazon. I'll obviously try to find a used one, but I can use the body pack without the reciever?

[MNAirHead]

Originally Posted by KingRazor

I keep a close eye on the signal meters throughout the service and turn down the gain knob whenever something gets too hot. Since we're all digital, I refuse to let anything red light. Digital is not nearly as forgiving as analog when it comes to clipping.

So if I see the meter jump up, even if it doesn't sound very much louder through the mains, I turn the gain down until it's at a reasonable signal level, then move the fader to compensate.

This way, the level is correct throughout the signal chain, instead of just through the mains.

Razor---
We're talking planning and implementing iem- not questioning how you run your church

If playing for you, It would still be prudent for all of us to be in control of our own limiter and volume

[MNAirHead]

Raz---

Thank you for not being offended

[MNAirHead]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

Wait, so I just looked at the P2R on Amazon. I'll obviously try to find a used one, but I can use the body pack without the reciever?

Yes - you really want the full setup - will cost about the same

Ask around --- chances are you know of a few folks with them sitting on a shelf

[KingRazor]

Originally Posted by MNAirHead

Razor---
We're talking planning and implementing iem- not questioning how you run your church

If playing for you, It would still be prudent for all of us to be in control of our own limiter and volume

Ah ok, just wanted to make sure people weren't misunderstanding how I run levels and such. I absolutely agree that the musos should all have protection and control over the levels going into their ears.

Hopefully when we have more money we can get some of the shure units.

[KingRazor]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

Wait, so I just looked at the P2R on Amazon. I'll obviously try to find a used one, but I can use the body pack without the reciever?

The body pack will work wired without the receiver. Then if you ever want wireless you can get the receiver.

[MNAirHead]

Originally Posted by KingRazor

The body pack will work wired without the receiver. Then if you ever want wireless you can get the receiver.

The "bonus" of wireless.....

Many systems do not have enough snake (or cable) sends

IF you keep you simple & diagramed system in a separate rack/board

You can then leave it at the board--- get a signal from an aux, phones out... Some other rack source..... In a pinch , you can just pull a signal from a main or monitor

[MNAirHead]

Originally Posted by KingRazor

Ah ok, just wanted to make sure people weren't misunderstanding how I run levels and such. I absolutely agree that the musos should all have protection and control over the levels going into their ears.

Hopefully when we have more money we can get some of the shure units.

Please add any "better" value systems you come up with

I played a huge$$$ mega last week - they supplied audiotechnica- static city

[Rip Topaz]

Originally Posted by MNAirHead

I got mine unused in a box for $200

There are other limiters avail - Alesis micro etc

Eventually most people then ask about going wireless

That's what I was originally wondering, how to properly use an external limiter in the in ear chain.

[fivestringgecko]

Subscribed out of interest, just caught this thread.

I've recently been playing more and more ampless gigs and have used a variety of in-ear solutions, including my Shuttle 6 as a personal headphone amp (no cab) during one particularly frustrating gig. I'm looking forward to going back through the entire thread for tips & info.

Thanks to MNAirHead for starting the thread and to everyone who has contributed!

5sg.

[MNAirHead]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

That's what I was originally wondering, how to properly use an external limiter in the in ear chain.

As a "sound guy" there are a few things that get bumped and fiddled with ---- every knob and cable must be setup and can be forgotten (to be adjusted)

A limiting body pack is normally on/off for the limiting.... If you can hear through it, the limiter is on

My personal preference is to "not" have knobs, adjustments and buttons on my last in line limiter... One less failure point

There are other ways to do it - price vs time vs universality.... I've not found a "better" option

[MNAirHead]

Originally Posted by fivestringgecko

Subscribed out of interest, just caught this thread.

I've recently been playing more and more ampless gigs and have used a variety of in-ear solutions, including my Shuttle 6 as a personal headphone amp (no cab) during one particularly frustrating gig. I'm looking forward to going back through the entire thread for tips & info.

Thanks to MNAirHead for starting the thread and to everyone who has contributed!

5sg.

Feel free to add your scenario - I'm sure we can figure out some dependable and affordable options & solutions

Hope this thread helps you