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 Exxcell 12-09-2012 07:41 PM

If I have a set of speakers, lets say 2 pair of 16 Ohm speakers, and I test the impedance rating. I'll will get around 4 ohms correct? (Assuming that are all hooked in Parallel)
Now if I hook the 4, 16 ohm speakers wired in parallel to an amp and measure the impedance, will the measurement vary? And if so, by how much approximately?

 two fingers 12-09-2012 07:46 PM

I'm confused. Resistance is what it is. Why would it vary when voltage is applied?

 Exxcell 12-09-2012 07:52 PM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by two fingers I'm confused. Resistance is what it is. Why would it vary when voltage is applied?
That's what I was thinking. I have a 'sound man' telling me that impedance changes when an amp is applied.

 3506string 12-09-2012 08:16 PM

 bumperbass 12-09-2012 08:27 PM

Simply put, the speakers impedance changes with frequency. It's a MINIMUM of 4 ohms, usually.

 Exxcell 12-09-2012 08:32 PM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by bumperbass Nice link, 3506string. Simply put, the speakers impedance changes with frequency. It's a MINIMUM of 4 ohms, usually.
His hypothesis was that impedance changes when and amp is connected and just turned on.

I assume it might change, but that change is small.. In my assumption.

 warnergt 12-09-2012 08:52 PM

Two 16 ohm speakers in parallel will give you 8 ohms.

Are you saying you are measuring your speakers while they
are still connected to the amp? That will give you an
indeterminate and meaningless reading. There is no telling
how it will affect the measurement.

Speaker impedance is a function of frequency. The impedance
given for a speaker is generally a nominal impedance -- a
ballpark (but not exact) figure of what you can expect.

 Exxcell 12-09-2012 09:21 PM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by warnergt Two 16 ohm speakers in parallel will give you 8 ohms. Your speaker impedance is independent of your amp. Are you saying you are measuring your speakers while they are still connected to the amp? That will give you an indeterminate and meaningless reading. There is no telling how it will affect the measurement. Speaker impedance is a function of frequency. The impedance given for a speaker is generally a nominal impedance -- a ballpark (but not exact) figure of what you can expect.
Two Pairs of 16 Ohm speakers.

And thanks, this is what I was looking for.

 TimmyP 12-10-2012 10:38 PM

When an amp is connected, the total impedance changes so far as the outside world is concerned, as the amp's output impedance is in parallel with the speaker impedance. But the loudspeaker impedance as seen by the amp does not change compared to what the measurement device 'saw'. The impedance does change with frequency. It also changes as more power is fed to the speaker (the coil gets hot and the impedance goes up - look up 'power compression').

 Bassamatic 12-10-2012 11:33 PM

It is not a hypothesis - it is the laws of physics and electrodynamics. Resistance is NOT the same as impedance. Impedance is the combined effects of resistance, the inductance of the coil and the voltage created by the coil moving in the magnetic gap.

Since speakers and amps are for AUDIO, they are spec'd at audio frequencies, not while sitting still. Using an impedance meter, you will find the speaker has say, 4 Ohms impedance at 1kHz, while the static resistance measures about 5-6 Ohms.

To answer your question- 4 16 Ohm speakers all in parallel will be 4 Ohms. You do NOT measure the resistance while they are connected to an amp. The output impedance of an amp is much lower than the speakers and will give you an inaccurate reading.

 Munjibunga 12-11-2012 12:56 AM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Exxcell (Post 13556260) His hypothesis was that impedance changes when and amp is connected and just turned on. I assume it might change, but that change is small.. In my assumption.
If you measure the DC resistance across, say, two 16-ohm speakers in parallel, you'll get something around 6 ohms. The AC impedance will typically be greater when signal is applied, but not necessarily exactly 8 ohms. It varies with frequency. The DC resistance will be unchanged if the amp is connected, but no signal is passed.

 Munjibunga 12-11-2012 12:58 AM

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 Originally Posted by Bassamatic (Post 13561516) Using an impedance meter, you will find the speaker has say, 4 Ohms impedance at 1kHz, while the static resistance measures about 5-6 Ohms.
Typically the static (DC) resistance will be lower than the audio (AC) impedance.

 ggunn 12-12-2012 05:03 PM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Munjibunga (Post 13561656) Typically the static (DC) resistance will be lower than the audio (AC) impedance.
Replace "typically" with "always". Impedance is resistance plus the AC effects of reactance (inductance and capacitance), and reactance cannot be subtractive.

 Thor 12-12-2012 05:19 PM

And for the users benefit, there is a complete discussion of Ohms Law, resistance and related topics in the FAQ thread in the main sticky at the top of the Amps forum. It is well worth your while to peruse it, it will answer many of your basic questions on this set of topics.

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f15/ohms-faq-144244/

This thread should probably be linked in this forum as well, I am sure these questions come up often.

 Munjibunga 12-12-2012 06:01 PM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by ggunn (Post 13569863) Replace "typically" with "always". Impedance is resistance plus the AC effects of reactance (inductance and capacitance), and reactance cannot be subtractive.
Just trying to be safe.

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