Looking to upgrade to TC from Ampeg...NEED ADVICE!
 

So...I have been using the Ampeg BX410 (4 ohm version) with the Ampeg SVT3-PRO and it has been working great.

HOWEVER...I am now needing to have a rig that I can use at the church as well as for concerts at other churches and venues. This rig works great but is too heavy and hard to load.

I have been looking around and really like the TC Electronic bass gear.

So the question now is:
TC Electronics COMBO750? or COMBO 750 with additional RS210? or RH750 with 1 or 2 RS212 cabs?

I need something that is as good and as powerful (or more powerful) as what I have but lighter and easier to move. Most of the churches are 350-700 seat buildings, will have pa support (2 JBL618XLF-S subs...on road only), still no pa support at home church, see pics.

I would really appreciate any and all feedback. I can get a really good deal on the TC gear and am pretty impressed with it, but just don't know which is best.

Also interested if combining RS210 and a RS212 is a good idea...what kind of benefits or hindrances.

Thanks for the help!

you call that an up-grade?!!:hiding:

Two RS212's have lots of depth, great rock or dub sound.
210 + 212 complement each other well, suit any style. I use this now vertical and it works great.
I use Thunderfunk 550 head with Tobias 5 rounds and fingerstyle or P w/ flats and pick equally well.
Get the covers as they scratch a bit.

If you're looking for lighter weight, I'd look at the GK MB 410 ii. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ampli...bass-combo-amp

I would consider it an upgrade.

The ability to have preset tones (memory settings) is nice. I rotate between 3 basses (not during a concert, but sometimes I want to play a 5 string, some times a 4 and I love my fretless. So having the ability to have the base settings "memorized" is very nice.

I like the smaller size, lighter weight...with pa support 1 cab should be enough. Without a pa...(2) 210's or (2) 212's or (1) of each??? If i have to make an extra trip to get an additional cab...thats ok. Lifting the 130lb 4x10 cab is a killer, (2) 50lb lifts is much easier on my back!

I just dont know what is the best combination or if i should get a combo unit or just a head with cabs. I want some other opinions before I spend that $$$!

I guess...when you have PA support...it doesnt matter as much which cabs or the amount of cabs? But when no pa support is available cab selection is much more important.

Right????

anybody have any other thoughts/suggestions???

Upgrade? UPGRADE???

Slowly I turn...

;)

Well obviously I'd suggest Ampeg's Portaflex series or the Micro VR and a 210av since you already are into the Ampeg, but I'd try out as many amps as you can find. You might find something completely unexpected that rules your world. Sounds like at your church gig, even a little 100w combo would work since you're obviously not dealing with Metallica volume. The digital stuff is cool and I own some and it's loaded with features and presets and tuners and effects, but me personally, I like a good analog amp that may only give you one sound at a time and no presets or effects but that one thing is awesome. I get good out of the digital stuff, but I never seem to reach awesome. It's like an MP3 version of the real thing until you start getting into the high dollar digital stuff with some serious computing guns to work it. And then it sounds like a high bitrate MP3 version of the real thing. At least to me. YMMV. Having said that, as long as you play from the heart, any amp will work as long as it meets your requirements.

GK all the way...

How does the RH750 compare to the SVT3-PRO?

Is there a single TC cabinet that is close to the performance and tone of the BXT 410 (other than their 410).

If the RS210 or RS212 can't compare alone...is it better to get (2) of the 210's or 212's or (1) of each? (I don't know if technology or design has made enough advances for a 2xsomething to do such a thing as compete with a 410.)

With PA support will it really matter?

I find all TC amps imitate the SVT to a degree. They don't nail it but it's in the ballpark for sure. As for the cabs, I know not much about them, but assuming the build is pretty equal, a 410 will generally have 3db more to give you than a 210, which is significant but not all that significant. I'd try the gig with a 210 first. It's very possible it's enough.

maybe posting in the amp forum instead of the PA/live sound one.:D

While I have to agree with modulusman that the amp subforum would probably be the more appropriate place and it would certainly yield a great volume of responses, there's a certain (unwitting, I assume) genius to posting here, as it's more likely to avoid some of the more charged response and the whole thing turning ugly...and it does have to do with live sound and pa support.

My relevant experience is limited to the RH750 and SVT-7PRO, various mixing and matching of RS210s and RS212s, and a GB Uber 410. I don't know specifically how the 3 and 7 compare or how the BXT compares to the Uber 410, other than configuration-wise.

I've used one RS210, 2 x RS210, RS210/212, one RS212, 2 x RS212, and Uber 410 with and without pa support.

IMO, a single RS212 provides the most utility in the trade-off between size/weight and capability. I think that with pa support, it doesn't really matter much. Taking into account other peoples' experiences, with pa support, a single RS210 is clearly fine for some. For me, I didn't feel the "heft" behind me that I was most comfortable with.

I always found two RS210s to be an easy carry and sufficient for my purposes (bars and events). If a single one does what you need sometimes, adding a second when a little more is needed can be a good option.

As far as whether two 210s can "compete" with a 410, it would depend on the 210 and 410 in question. I believe two RS210s have less internal volume than many (most?) 410 cabinets. I think the drivers, design and math involved would be the only way to answer that question, and some comparisons would be answered "yes" and some "no." Do two RS210s have the same capability as the Uber 410? Not as far as I could tell. Do they need to have the same capability to be sufficient? Absolutely not.

As far as the RS210/212 stack goes, a lot of people like it. It's certainly a viable choice.