mixing for in ears.

bassplayerbob · #1 07-19-2011, 01:37 PM

I am attempting to setup a monitor mixer onstage for for myself and the singer. I plan on running out of the 4 sub mixes on our foh board into 4 channels on a mixer. Would an allen and heath zed 14 be a good choice for this? Only reason I want to go with controlling the monitor mix is because our soundman just bought a presonus board with an ipad and he is still learning about it and trying to find him in the club is a pain sometimes with the freedom of an Ipad for on the fly adjustments. Any thoughts?

jaywa · #2 07-19-2011, 01:56 PM

So, your soundman has a way to adjust the monitor mix onstage (via the iPad), but you want more of an old-school way of doing it yourself cause he's not doing a good job of it? And, this mix you'd be controlling would be for the whole band, or just for you and the singer while the soundman kept running the IEM mix(es) for the rest of the band?

I'm not sure I have an answer but I want to be sure the question is clear, first.

bassplayerbob · #3 07-19-2011, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jaywa

So, your soundman has a way to adjust the monitor mix onstage (via the iPad), but you want more of an old-school way of doing it yourself cause he's not doing a good job of it? And, this mix you'd be controlling would be for the whole band, or just for you and the singer while the soundman kept running the IEM mix(es) for the rest of the band?

I'm not sure I have an answer but I want to be sure the question is clear, first.

He uses an ipad for foh and monitors. The only ones using in ears would be myself and the singer. he does a fine job mixing but not quite with the in ears. If we need a little more or less of something during a song he may not be In our line of sight due to the freedom of the ipad so we can't tell him " more bass or less guitar" when needed.

MNAirHead · #4 07-19-2011, 07:21 PM

Add a rolls pm351 for more me mixing. Make it simple for yourself

Vinny D · #5 07-19-2011, 08:31 PM

You really should just get together with Scott and get your monitor mix figured out, what you are trying to do is only going to add more confusion and quite frankly....added mess on the stage.

Either run a completely seperated monitor setup from FOH, or have FOH control it....Don't try making it a hybrid.

For complete seperation you will need your own mixer with enough channels to mic everything needed along with a splitter snake.
This way you get everything and can control your own mix without interfearing with the FOH mix.

Just my 1/2 cent!

MNAirHead · #6 07-19-2011, 08:46 PM

The reality is that until your sound guy has a method to use IEM, you're fighting an uphill battle. ... EVERY mic in the room will react differently to different rooms.

After being IEM 95% of the time, the easiest metthod is a "more me mixer"

When in the sound guy seat, "more me" is the request 90% of the time.

Tim

bassplayerbob · #7 07-19-2011, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny D

You really should just get together with Scott and get your monitor mix figured out, what you are trying to do is only going to add more confusion and quite frankly....added mess on the stage.

Either run a completely seperated monitor setup from FOH, or have FOH control it....Don't try making it a hybrid.

For complete seperation you will need your own mixer with enough channels to mic everything needed along with a splitter snake.
This way you get everything and can control your own mix without interfearing with the FOH mix.

Just my 1/2 cent!

I knew you would chime in on this...LOL! We need to do a D&D coffee run and chat!!!!

Vinny D · #8 07-19-2011, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MNAirHead

When in the sound guy seat, "more me" is the request 90% of the time.

Tim

My life every weekend!

bassplayerbob · #9 07-19-2011, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MNAirHead

The reality is that until your sound guy has a method to use IEM, you're fighting an uphill battle. ... EVERY mic in the room will react differently to different rooms.

After being IEM 95% of the time, the easiest metthod is a "more me mixer"

When in the sound guy seat, "more me" is the request 90% of the time.

Tim

I just looked that up. Never heard of it before, looks interesteing though. Thanks

Vinny D · #10 07-19-2011, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bassplayerbob

I knew you would chime in on this...LOL! We need to do a D&D coffee run and chat!!!!

Anytime, I am around almost every day!

bassplayerbob · #11 07-19-2011, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny D

Anytime, I am around almost every day!

I have your number!! Working this weekend?

Vinny D · #12 07-19-2011, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bassplayerbob

I have your number!! Working this weekend?

Off during the day....Olive's Friday night, Rocky Point Pub on Saturday night.

MNAirHead · #13 07-19-2011, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bassplayerbob

I just looked that up. Never heard of it before, looks interesteing though. Thanks

A PM351 is a pro-class pass through mixer... your output levels stay the same.. your personal mix of vocals and instrument are blended with the standard monitor mix.... you then can plug in an 1/8 or 1/4 plug to your wireless....

When you have a room that doesn't like wireless (or a small gig... or a powered monitor) you can simlply plug directly into the PM351.

Used they're about $70...

It doesn't ad confusion to live performance.. it simplifies the requests to a sound guy (who 99% of the time is focused on the mains --- not monitor mix)

I'll be the first to point that a touring band running IEM commonly will have one guy focused on IEM mixes.. not mains.... folks forget this and expect magic.... the magic PM351 is the easiest option to overcome the issue.

derrico1 · #14 07-20-2011, 06:23 AM

If you already have an iPad, you can adjust your own monitor/IEM mix from stage using the Presonus remote control app. Clip the iPad to your mic stand, and you're good to go.

bassplayerbob · #15 07-20-2011, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by derrico1

If you already have an iPad, you can adjust your own monitor/IEM mix from stage using the Presonus remote control app. Clip the iPad to your mic stand, and you're good to go.

I looked into that. A friends band is doing that and works fine, but he already owns an ipad. A mini mixer and some cables are much cheaper than a ipad at this time. Even used I can't find one under 400 bucks.

MNAirHead · #16 07-20-2011, 04:38 PM

I'll repeat rollspm351 is the ticket to more me mixing in an iem environment

Even when I'm in control of the board it's still the easiest on stage solution

TimmyP · #17 07-20-2011, 09:37 PM

You'll be wasting money. Every time a channel is changed in the house mix, your mix will change, so your soundman will still be in control of it. The only way around that will be to use the channel direct outs. By the time you do that, you'll have spent your iPad money.

bassplayerbob · #18 07-20-2011, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MNAirHead

I'll repeat rollspm351 is the ticket to more me mixing in an iem environment

Even when I'm in control of the board it's still the easiest on stage solution

But this would only benefit me to just hear me right? I am looking to hear a little of everything.

bassplayerbob · #19 07-20-2011, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TimmyP

You'll be wasting money. Every time a channel is changed in the house mix, your mix will change, so your soundman will still be in control of it. The only way around that will be to use the channel direct outs. By the time you do that, you'll have spent your iPad money.

I understand your point in the mix changing but I wouldn't think it would be that drastic other than tweaking. The reason I thought about the sub groups is because we played a show a few weeks back and I wanted to try recording with my zoom hd16. Our sound man suggested running it off the sub groups, that way I could eq the drums, bass, guitar, and vocals separately and mixdown later. It worked great! So I thought I could do the same but setup a monitor mix instead of a recording mix.

Rocksolid · #20 07-20-2011, 09:57 PM

You take a line from the FOH mix, I use the mono out xlr on the desk and run that into the pm351, you run your mic into the pm351 and then out to the desk. You run your bass into the pm351 and then out to the desk. You then have the ability to mix both your vocal and bass dominant to the FOH mix. Dead easy and highly recommended!