newbie monitor question.
as we stand atm, we only run vocals through our desk (mackie 1402 VLZ PRO), and our vocalist boughta pair of 12" active speakers to use as monitors.
IMO, they are not ideal, but it was his money and call.
He is a very powerful singer, unlike me, and as such i have a job to hear myself.
Is this idea possible?
I run my mic to my own active speaker, then the output goes to the mixing desk.This would give me an independant speaker with just my not so wonderful vocals lol.
Is this worth looking into or am i opening a can of worms here....as im not a technical type of guy at all!
try running it via the console first then to you monitor, that way you can send whatever you want to your wedge...
MR Grady, In theory that idea could work but is probably not the best solution for your circumstance. Your mixer probably has at least one or two aux sends on it (they have separate outputs and a volume control knob on each channel strip. Try running your monitors out of these outputs, this way you can make a separate mix just for your monitors and don't have to use the house mix.
cheers guys...i hear what you are saying, and we have used the aux1 to turn down bass drum, guitar and bass out of the monitor meix when we ran everyting through the PA.
what im aiming for is a seperate vocal mix.....basically me having my own monitor, with just my vocals out of it, same with the guitarist...and singer having all 3....
hope this makes sense.
You would need a mixer with 3 pre fader auxes to have 3 separate monitor mixes.
it's easy to do but you need two things.
a mic splitter (a box with one XLR in, two XLR outs) about $20.00-$30.00.
and a mic pre amp or small cheap mixer, I see them as low as $20.00 on Craigslist.
plug your mic into the splitter, send one line to the main mixer, the other to your pre amp/mixer>active monitor.
then both signals can be treated completely separately.
I would also HIGHLY recommend a 31 band eq so that you can ring out your own monitor.
and if you want to go all the way, add a compressor and effects unit and you're done, complete independence.
i've rigged up my own little monitor mix in these situations with a couple of XLR F to 2 XLR M splitter cables, a super-cheap behringer mixer and my own power amp.
my vocal mic cable goes into the splitter cable, and then to both the main PA and my own little mixer.
i don't even have a graphic EQ on it, the channel EQ on my little sub mixer is enough.
(the other splitters are for the acoustic instruments i was playing, working the same way.)
If aux one is not being fed anything else other the vocals I still can't see why you don't use aux 1 for his vocals and aux 2 for you.
If he is such a powerful singer, shouldn't you be turned up more in the monitors? Seems like a simpler solution. Especially if you are harmonizing.
We run one vocal mix and I run the lead guitars backup vocals at a much higher gain in the monitors than the lead vocals so that both can be heard. The lead singer is much more powerful (same as the OP). The leads are still slightly louder since we try to mimic the FOH sound in the monitors.
Works for us.... might be worth a shot since it costs nothing?
As an aside, I tried the Mic Mechanic recently and it was awesome. At $150 new, it might be worth trying since it cleans up the vocals and makes them easier to hear. If is meant for people who are mixing from stage.
As uhdinator said, you’re needing three monitor sends, and your mixer only has two. Your idea of running your mic into the active monitor, then out to the board, is worth a try. However, it has to be sensitive enough to take a low-level mic input (I think a lot of them do), and there might be an issue of noise being passed along to the mixing console. But it never hurts to try.
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Our effects heavy sax just used like a thru monitor this past weekend. It was self powered and the signal passively passes thru it. It was remarkably clear and he even really tastefully incorporated feedback during possum kingdom and foxy lady. It was provided so I didn't catch the make and model, but it was awesome and I highly recommend it whatever the hell it was.
...some sort of signal thru powered monitor made by some company.
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