Small IEM Limiter?

[MK1]

I'm wondering if anyone knows of any small limiters that can be used with in ear monitors. For the most part I will be using an Aviom system with a set of UM2s, but occasionally I will be using a rolls PM351 and the lack of limiter worries me. I don't want to carry around a huge rack, so I'm looking for something I can throw in my gigbag. The only thing I have been able to find is various attenuators, I'm not looking for something with incredible tone, but rather something that will catch a feedback loops, an over enthusiastic drummer's cymbal, or dropped mic. What do you guys have for me?

[3506string]

Rolls CL151 Gate and Compressor/Limiter CL151 B&H Photo Video

[MNAirHead]

I have a small pedal board... has various methods to connecting to various PA scenarios.... on the board I always carry a Shure PSM 200...

The body pack has a limiter.

When I'm concerned about a limiter... I'll either hardwire PM350/PM351 to the bodypack... or wireless...


With this setup, I've never had to ask a sound tech to mix "more me" or have scenarios where I was concerned about the sound tech with limiters... many times hard wired IEM is totally useful... I always have the option for limiters and/or wireless.

Hopefully this makes sense and is helfpul.. feel free to PM if I've been power typing confusion.

[MNAirHead]

Used PSM 200 is about $250 ... many are out there that are NOS or never used...

[bongomania]

Originally Posted by 3506string

Rolls CL151 Gate and Compressor/Limiter CL151 B&H Photo Video

I have one of those, and it's actually terrible at peak limiting. I mean it "works", but sounds horrible doing it. What it's very good at is more gentle/moderate compression.

[3506string]

Alesis Nanocompressor

[MK1]

Originally Posted by MNAirHead

I have a small pedal board... has various methods to connecting to various PA scenarios.... on the board I always carry a Shure PSM 200...

The body pack has a limiter.

When I'm concerned about a limiter... I'll either hardwire PM350/PM351 to the bodypack... or wireless...

With this setup, I've never had to ask a sound tech to mix "more me" or have scenarios where I was concerned about the sound tech with limiters... many times hard wired IEM is totally useful... I always have the option for limiters and/or wireless.

Hopefully this makes sense and is helfpul.. feel free to PM if I've been power typing confusion.

I never thought about using the PSM with the Rolls. I'm using the PSM when I'm not using the Aviom. How do you rout your signal?

[Carver]

Originally Posted by 3506string

Alesis Nanocompressor

That's what I use...you can get them on the cheap on eBay.

[Rocksolid]

I looked at the Nano Compressor but ended up going with the Presonus Bluemax. Both will do the job.

[MK1]

Originally Posted by MNAirHead

The body pack has a limiter.

When I'm concerned about a limiter... I'll either hardwire PM350/PM351 to the bodypack... or wireless...


Hopefully this makes sense and is helfpul.. feel free to PM if I've been power typing confusion.

Tried to send you a PM, but your inbox is full. Are you just plugging your instrument into the Rolls, and having the monitor mix sent to the PSM body pack, and plugging the output of the Rolls into the body pack? or are you having the Monitor mix sent to the Rolls in addition to the instrument and plugging that into the body pack?
Thanks,
Matt

[MNAirHead]

try sending again..

I have to leave for a gig.. can post the signal chain later.

Basically the Rolls contols the mix to IEM -- then sends through to wireless,di or amp (or both)

I use a Rolls PM350 (discontinued) to add simplicity.

I use the body pack of the PSM for a limiter if there's a rookie sound guy.

[MNAirHead]

I can tell you how road acts do it.. it's really irrelevant for most of us giggers...

I tried (and own) countless versions and options... the above seems to be the easiest to acclimate and deploy.

As always.. ditching your amp and practicing vai mixer is the first success step.

Tim

Please ask for clarification if I"m muddy

[MNAirHead]

ohy yea.. (sorry about the power rambling)

The above setup also allows you to use a powered monitor instead of amp....

Tons of options if they're factored in... all of my junk fits into an anvil suit case... I had a silly rack setup.. was heavier than my dusty old svt.

[MNAirHead]

Originally Posted by MK1

I never thought about using the PSM with the Rolls. I'm using the PSM when I'm not using the Aviom. How do you rout your signal?

I'll be bold enough to say it's foolish not to have a PSM351 in your tool kit if running IEM (yes even if you have a hot shot salaried sound tech with a PHD in physics)

Many IEM deployments become frustrating and fail because of the following

1-player doesn't practice/acclimate to IEM
2-player expects the sound guy to care about his setup
3-player doesn't plan for methods to easily tap into normal sound system
4-sound crew is too busy (or not equipped) to do a "more me" aux mix.

I could go on and on (and bore you more than I have).

Tim

[MNAirHead]

sorry I wasn't watching this thread.

Tough to get real world experience (that's down to earth) on the topic.. want to ensure someone can learn through my mistakes.

[MNAirHead]

Originally Posted by MK1

Tried to send you a PM, but your inbox is full. Are you just plugging your instrument into the Rolls, and having the monitor mix sent to the PSM body pack, and plugging the output of the Rolls into the body pack? or are you having the Monitor mix sent to the Rolls in addition to the instrument and plugging that into the body pack?
Thanks,
Matt

Rolls passes everything through and manages it all... ...

it's a pass through mixer....

IF i need an ambient omni mic.. I can plug it into the rolls or PSM wireless sender.

[TimmyP]

Wired IEM pack with limiter:

Rock On Audio

Shure P4HW Hardwired Bodypack for PSM 400 Systems: Shop Pro Audio & Other Musical Instruments | Musician's Friend

[petesenkowski]

Originally Posted by MK1

I'm wondering if anyone knows of any small limiters that can be used with in ear monitors. For the most part I will be using an Aviom system with a set of UM2s, but occasionally I will be using a rolls PM351 and the lack of limiter worries me. I don't want to carry around a huge rack, so I'm looking for something I can throw in my gigbag. The only thing I have been able to find is various attenuators, I'm not looking for something with incredible tone, but rather something that will catch a feedback loops, an over enthusiastic drummer's cymbal, or dropped mic. What do you guys have for me?

Thanks, MK1, for bringing this up, and thanks to all who responded with suggestions. I use IEMs with a Rolls PM55 (similar to a PM351, but with only 2 inputs instead of 3, and with optional battery power) exclusively for my monitoring, and I've been concerned about the lack of a limiter.

Most of the suggestions have been pricey and contain more features than seem necessary for a simple limiter between the Rolls PM351 and the headphones; some of them are rackmounts and are bigger than my whole pedalboard (admittedly laughably sparce: a powerbar for the wallwarts, the PM55, and a Fishman Platinum Pro). I never use a wireless, and I've always been the only one in the band using IEMs; everyone else just uses wedges.

The Alesis Nanocompressor isn't too expensive, but it's old and discontinued, and it's replacements are expensive, complex, and large.

Bongomania, given the modest basic requirements for a limiter that MK1 and I need, would the Rolls CL151 limiter's horrible sound be a factor?

My own searches hadn't turned up anything better than the suggestions here, so I'm sorry to be whining; I'm just hoping for something simpler (and cheaper).

Thanks,
Pete

[MNAirHead]

Body pack forlorn a psm200 has limiting

[Rocksolid]

Like i said, Presonus Blue Max. Discontinued also but Presonus CS is awesome.