Speaker Level to IEM

[jmeyers44]

So I've been doing IEM for a year now. 90% of the gigs I do are church gigs and depending on the venue I use the Aviom system or my Rolls PM 351. I recently played a few gigs where I had to use the traditional amp and cab and a wedge monitor. I very much hated it. I felt that everyone, including myself, was too loud (yes, I realize the irony). I've been thinking of ways to patch in my PM 351 to a speaker level monitor mix. My theory is this. Buy a Countryman DI. Since it has a speaker in feature, run the monitor (speaker level) to the Countryman, run the out from the Countryman to the wedge (the wedge will act as a load box) and run the XLR out to my PM 351. Since I'd be on IEM the wedge won't matter. Any thoughts on this idea??? Thanks.

[Rocksolid]

This Rolls product should do the trick: Rolls Corporation - Real Sound - Products PM57 Headphone Tap

The Headphone tap takes a speaker level and converts it to the right level for Headphones.

[MNAirHead]

Call rolls in Utah. Engineers answer the phone

Ine commonly used a pm351 to trim for less robust gear

There was a thread a while ago about a trim box plan just for this

You could alway try a rolls db25 to get the variable trim. They're about 25 new

[jmeyers44]

Thanks for your advice gentlemen.

[TimmyP]

Radial H-Amp.

[walterw]

it's a bodge, but i guess it could theoretically work. you could then flip the wedge speaker-down to take its stage volume out of the equation.

thing is, a scenario where things are so half-assed that you're rigging up your own IEM mix off of some random wedge's speaker-level signal is likely one where you wouldn't have any kind of usable IEM mix anyway.

if it's your own dedicated mix, just have the guy send it right to your IEMs and leave the monitor power amp out of it.

if it's not your own mix, well, i'd rather push the wedge away from me and wear earplugs than have a shared mix in IEMs!

i suppose you could rig up a thing where you had, say, a vocals-only mix "stolen" from front wedges and your own instrument directly mixed together into a typical 2-input IEM system. seems like a lot of rigging up, though.

[MNAirHead]

There are a few tricks to success. One of them is to have an ambient omni mic ready. The other is to be able to trim a powered signal. You can't count on the sound tech having capabilities to send nonamplified

[musicman7722]

Originally Posted by jmeyers44

So I've been doing IEM for a year now. 90% of the gigs I do are church gigs and depending on the venue I use the Aviom system or my Rolls PM 351. I recently played a few gigs where I had to use the traditional amp and cab and a wedge monitor. I very much hated it. I felt that everyone, including myself, was too loud (yes, I realize the irony). I've been thinking of ways to patch in my PM 351 to a speaker level monitor mix. My theory is this. Buy a Countryman DI. Since it has a speaker in feature, run the monitor (speaker level) to the Countryman, run the out from the Countryman to the wedge (the wedge will act as a load box) and run the XLR out to my PM 351. Since I'd be on IEM the wedge won't matter. Any thoughts on this idea??? Thanks.

Works for me when we have to use a different foh system. I tap off the singers wedge via a DI like you mentioned and then run it into my IEM mixer.

[MNAirHead]

did you call rolls to establish if using a pm351 is an endorsed use?

In a pinch I have an omni mike that I use (non condenser) to plop onto a main or someone's monitor.