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05-13-2008, 12:53 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Virginia Beach, VA | | | Subwoofers on a Budget? <$550?
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Yes, the ol' skinflint is at it again! Just purchased a really nice pair of Carvin 1503's (thanks Jason!) and now we need a set of bottoms. I know virtually nothing about subwoofers but I do recognize some of the brand names: Carvin, Peavey, Yamaha, Cerwin-Vega, QSC, JBL, etc. There's also a couple of which I'm kind of suspicious: Pro Audio, Behringer. Well, actually I've heard of Behringer but not Pro Audio. You can see by the band budget that I won't have a lot of choice...this is where you come in! Need some suggestions / assistance in selecting a pair of sub enclosures. I'm thinking along the lines of single 15" or 18" cabs. I've posted WTB ads on TB and CraigsList and have received a handful of offers which I'll post later.
Appreciate your input!
Riis
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05-13-2008, 01:00 PM
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05-13-2008, 01:08 PM
|  | Less barking, more wagging! | | Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: San Diego, CA | | | If it's a true sub-woofer you're after, you may not "need" two (very low frequencies are omni-directional), unless your reason for buying a pair is to increase your output by 3dB, or you need to spread the bass around a large venue. IME, it is sometimes easier to control low frequency room interactions when using only one sub.
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05-13-2008, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Deacon_Blues  Do you have an amp or do you need that as well? | We don't have an amp but I can donate (temporarily) the Crest CA-6 from my "big" rig if necessary. We have given some thought to a powered sub.
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05-13-2008, 01:39 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Virginia Beach, VA | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Jazzdogg If it's a true sub-woofer you're after, you may not "need" two (very low frequencies are omni-directional), unless your reason for buying a pair is to increase your output by 3dB, or you need to spread the bass around a large venue. IME, it is sometimes easier to control low frequency room interactions when using only one sub. | On occasion, we play some of the larger dance halls (real stage, real dance floor, etc.) so I'm leaning towards two smaller sub enclosures. Somebody suggested placing a single enclosure towards the back near the drummer / drum riser.
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05-13-2008, 01:49 PM
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Owner: Brevard Sound Systems | | Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Deltona, FL | | | My baby subs were about a grand each.
OK, so as the title says, my baby subs cost around a grand a piece, street. That said, they are a self lowered single 18" driver beast with a 1500W amp pushing them. I can, and often do run just one sub with two matching self powered tops. I do a "street party" series where that size system is plenty. I'd say if you are looking for a passive sub, and plan on using your Crest to push it, you MIGHT be able to get one for that $$ that would be worth your time. |
05-13-2008, 01:58 PM
|  | Supporting Member | | Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: 3rd stone from the sun | | At that price point I'd go with a pair of used Yamaha Club series subs. They go for $400 to $500 a pair used and they are a killer value. Here's a link to a new one with details: http://www.zzounds.com/item--YAMSW118V |
05-13-2008, 02:00 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Virginia Beach, VA | | | [quote= I'd say if you are looking for a passive sub, and plan on using your Crest to push it, you MIGHT be able to get one for that $$ that would be worth your time.[/QUOTE]
Okay, what would you suggest brand-wise if we follow the single cab theory? We need presence but not necessarily volume. What about optimal placement?
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05-13-2008, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Zooberwerx Okay, what would you suggest brand-wise if we follow the single cab theory? We need presence but not necessarily volume. What about optimal placement?
Riis | If you go the new and single route, and are stuck at that price point, no contest: http://www.directproaudio.com/produc...directid=54540
But I'd still take a used pair of the Yamaha Club V's and save a $100. |
05-13-2008, 03:21 PM
| | Less barking, more wagging! | | Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: San Diego, CA | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Zooberwerx On occasion, we play some of the larger dance halls (real stage, real dance floor, etc.) so I'm leaning towards two smaller sub enclosures. Somebody suggested placing a single enclosure towards the back near the drummer / drum riser.
Riis | When we've played clubs in which the subs were in direct contact with the stage, or too close to stage walls, the stage was enveloped by low frequencies that made it difficult for us to hear each other without turning up louder than would otherwise be necessary; when it comes to subs, I like to keep 'em near the dance floor and away from the stage if at all possible.
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05-13-2008, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Zooberwerx What about optimal placement?
Riis | Center stage would be optimal, but unless there's a riser it usually looks like crap.
Even with two subs, I would couple them and not have them right/left stage. The right left scenario will cause phase cancellation and comb filtering and you'll be wondering why the subs aren't hitting even with plenty of power. |
05-13-2008, 03:40 PM
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05-13-2008, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by baba Center stage would be optimal, but unless there's a riser it usually looks like crap.
Even with two subs, I would couple them and not have them right/left stage. The right left scenario will cause phase cancellation and comb filtering and you'll be wondering why the subs aren't hitting even with plenty of power. | This is getting interesting.
Appearance is a moot point. We can always place a single in front of the center monitor and stick a floral arrangement in the mast hole. One would assume that sub enclosures would be better used left / right seeing they're designed to accommodate masts and mains.
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05-13-2008, 05:01 PM
| | | | the yamaha single 18,s sound like they might fit your sit. i think my local GC carries them in stack and they are under 5 bills. I own some carvin stuff but funny thing is anything (two things) i bought with their drivers, the drivers didn't last and they now have eminence drivers in them.
did have good luck with the afformentioned yamahas tho. |
05-14-2008, 09:32 AM
| | Supporting Member | | Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: 3rd stone from the sun | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Zooberwerx This is getting interesting.
Appearance is a moot point. We can always place a single in front of the center monitor and stick a floral arrangement in the mast hole. One would assume that sub enclosures would be better used left / right seeing they're designed to accommodate masts and mains.
Riis | Yeah, that's a common assumption, but incorrect. Ideally they would be coupled in the center. Here's more detail on why if you are interested: http://www.prosoundweb.com/index.php...e_power_alley/ |
05-14-2008, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by baba | Excellent article...even I understood it! Aside from the smaller sub enclosures I've seen, does anybody make a truly "low profile" model that could be placed inconspicuously front-and-center? For some reason, I'm thinking of the bass enclosures that come with the more expensive home theater systems.
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05-14-2008, 07:02 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Raleigh, NC | | There's a really nice pair of JBL SR4718X on the Raleigh CL for $800. 1/8 wave single 18" in each front ported cab. 
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05-14-2008, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dataBASS5 There's a really nice pair of JBL SR4718X on the Raleigh CL for $800. 1/8 wave single 18" in each front ported cab. | Great cabs, I'm sure, but out of my price range. Hmmm.....I do have a brother in Raleigh who could pick them up (Riis says to himself).
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05-15-2008, 09:42 AM
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If you're handy, you might consider checking Bill Fitzmaurice's site for plans and build yourself a sub. www.billfitzmaurice.com | +1000.
Bill's sub aren't costly and they are not hard to build. Jus time consuming. |
05-15-2008, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Zooberwerx Hmmm.....I do have a brother in Raleigh who could pick them up (Riis says to himself). | Dooooo it! I hear the seller is a heck of a guy! *ahem* As I break my arm patting myself on the back. 
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