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Old 05-22-2011, 01:04 AM
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we tried out our new floor monitors and powered mixer tonight. the speakers are 2-ways, with a horn tweeter and 15" woofer. they're powered by an el-cheapo pyle powered mixer, which is rated at 400 watts @ 4 ohms.

anyways, our new singer sounded nice and loud until we started playing. i had to max out the volume and the eq and could still barely hear her. we even turned our amps down. it's a shame because i like the pyle's sound and the price i paid for it. i dialed in a nice reverb (built in). it's just not powerful enough.

the speakers are rated 250 watts rms @ 8 ohms. i doubt the pyle is giving it that much. should i try to find a more powerful powered mixer, or just add a power amp to the pyle? if i add a power amp i could potentially power 2 more monitors. i just want simple, loud vocal amplification. and i can't spend a lot of money.
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Old 05-22-2011, 01:07 AM
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try raising the speakers up to ear level first. if that doesnt work try a poweramp.
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Old 05-22-2011, 05:26 PM
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When I do rehease the bands (both 3 pc) we don't need mics. we first work on the arraingment and how and where are dynamics will be incorperated. Many years ago I made it very clear that when you work with me and don't understand the real meaning of volume becoming noise you then can work for me and then if you don't get it, not at all. Theres no reason you need a mic to learn a tune, learn 6 to 8 tunes then have a "full" rehearsal (10 hours). Full meaning all your house gear and backline in full operation. If your playing with people who "can't" turn down at a rehearsal or a gig your at a stage thats very painfull and the time wasted will never be regained. The lower the volume the more distinctive everything sounds and the clearity is obvious to anyone. When the drummer can hear the difference between playing near the edge of a cymbal and the middle of it then colors are evident and every note within the chords played is present. After 50 years of gigs and not wanting to return to show stages my rehearsal time is ALL business and the work is accomplished in the least amount of time. Can ya tell I hate rehearsals hahahaha, working on originals is a different outlook for sure but to not have everyones attention to breakdown and learn covers is ridiculous. When you work with folks who aren't willing to dump volume to be able to have a singer hear themselves your dealing with people who need to grow a little bit more and its not sacrifice its just common sense and a willingness to develop good habits. Good luck and remember just because a musician gets paid that doesn't make them a pro, pro's learn how to react and how to perform by how they practice (rehearse)!!! Doc

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I'm with the good Dr. 100%, except for hating rehearsals. I love building something, & seeing it grow from nothing to its final product!

As for excessive volume levels (on stage as well as rehearsal), it covers up exactly the kind of details that you want & need to be able to hear!
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just because a musician gets paid that doesn't make them a pro, pro's learn how to react and how to perform by how they practice (rehearse)!!! Doc
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The OP left out important imformation. What are your monitors?
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If you can't hear the singer, you're playing too loud. End of story.
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Old 05-23-2011, 01:14 PM
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When I do rehease the bands (both 3 pc) we don't need mics. we first work on the arraingment and how and where are dynamics will be incorperated. Many years ago I made it very clear that when you work with me and don't understand the real meaning of volume becoming noise you then can work for me and then if you don't get it, not at all. Theres no reason you need a mic to learn a tune, learn 6 to 8 tunes then have a "full" rehearsal (10 hours). Full meaning all your house gear and backline in full operation. If your playing with people who "can't" turn down at a rehearsal or a gig your at a stage thats very painfull and the time wasted will never be regained. The lower the volume the more distinctive everything sounds and the clearity is obvious to anyone. When the drummer can hear the difference between playing near the edge of a cymbal and the middle of it then colors are evident and every note within the chords played is present. After 50 years of gigs and not wanting to return to show stages my rehearsal time is ALL business and the work is accomplished in the least amount of time. Can ya tell I hate rehearsals hahahaha, working on originals is a different outlook for sure but to not have everyones attention to breakdown and learn covers is ridiculous. When you work with folks who aren't willing to dump volume to be able to have a singer hear themselves your dealing with people who need to grow a little bit more and its not sacrifice its just common sense and a willingness to develop good habits. Good luck and remember just because a musician gets paid that doesn't make them a pro, pro's learn how to react and how to perform by how they practice (rehearse)!!! Doc
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Nun Lover: our new singer sounded nice and loud "until we started playing."
Many band's overall sound levels are set by hard hitting drummers so turning down the amps to reasonable levels becomes moot.

After having a serious band meeting discussion about dynamics, sound levels, etc., I suggest you surround your drummer's rig with some sound board. It's cheap, easy to work with, easy to store and will surprise you with how much noise reduction you'll get out of it.

Create a double-thick wall of it around the entire drum set high enough to block the cymbals. Easy enough to piece together with construction glue/coat hanger wire. If you can, hang a big piece of it a few feet above the drummer. Also, the drummer can get some cymbal mutes, drum pads, different sticks. If you have any trouble clearly hearing the kick drum, a small hole can be cut in the sound board.

Still, as you stated, "the singer sounded "nice and loud" to start with, however, the band can only turn up loud enough so that she still sounds "nice and loud" when you start playing. The band volume needs to adjust to the singer's volume, not vice versa.

BTW, the singer may attempt to increase the volume of her voice with may lead to throat problems over time. In addition, keeping rehearsal volume low enough will prevent irreversible hearing loss to you and your buddies.

I suggest you do not waste your hard earned cash by investing in a bigger rehearsal P.A., especially when the problem can be solved for little or no money.

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