|TigerInATrance ||01-15-2013 04:54 PM |
Where do you stand on stage?
My current band has moved from a rehearsal studio to a sound stage in the effort to rehearse "as if we were playing a show" and I'm having trouble figuring out where I need to be. It was easy in the past because I was doing trios, but now I'm in a 5 piece that is all about nuance and dynamics and melody and I'm having a hard time figuring out where to position myself so that I'm hearing the right things.
Currently, I stand sort of next to the drummer on the opposite side of the stage from the rhythm guitar and I feel like I'm missing the kick and rhythm guitar which seems to be getting me lost in the more improvisational sections of the music.
I've also been told to turn up, but where I'm at I already feel like I'm dominating the mix. When I get to a volume level that seems to please the rest of the band, I can barely hear the rest of the band. I'm thinking that the best possible move would be to stand in front of the drums nearer to the rhythm guitar player while leaving my amp & cab on the other side, but I'm not sure I want to navigate the labyrinth to get to the amp and tune or make small adjustments.
So I suppose what I'm looking for is a broad spectrum of ideas as to where you like to be in relation to the other instruments and your amp. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
|Kmonk ||01-15-2013 05:01 PM |
I am in a 5 piece. The lead singer obviously stands at center. I am to the drummer's right (left if you are looking at the stage). The guitarist and keyboard player are on the other side. If you were in the audience from left to right you would see me, the lead singer, drummer, guitarist and keyboard player.
|SubNoizeRat3691 ||01-15-2013 05:07 PM |
I have always been told to stand on the Hi-hat side of the drummer, because it is the most consistent with the rhythm. But if you're worried about hearing the rhythm guitar, idk what to tell you.
Are you not using monitors or anything like that??
Maybe try facing the amplifiers inward toward the stage from the sides?
|Keithwah ||01-15-2013 05:07 PM |
I have always based myself on the stage right side of the drummer which allows me to get a good visual on his feet for locking in with the kick moments. But I'm only there long enough to do what I need to. Otherwise, I am hanging off the front of the stage in yo' face, and stand is not what I'm doing either. As a lead singing bassist, I wouldn't be much fun to watch if I "stood" there all night.
|mattbass6945 ||01-15-2013 05:09 PM |
i am also in a 5 piece. personally, i think you should practice where you can hear each other and worry about the positions on stage later. every stage will be different and you will be able to hear everyone better than you can when you are in rehearsal. of course, i'm making a couple assumptions here about your rehearsal setup and your venue you'll be playing at.
that said, my preference is to be to my drummer's left so i can hear and feel the kick/hi hat/snare and feel like i'm more "connected" to it. that may be all in my head, but that's what works for me.
|Mtnman ||01-15-2013 05:11 PM |
I'm in a 5 piece as well. The singer/lead guitarist is front/center. Rhythm guitar and keys to his right. I am to his left. I chose this location so as not to whack him with the headstock of my bass. My rig is on the back wall next to the drummer's hi-hat.
|Turock ||01-15-2013 05:16 PM |
Left of the drummer.
|BWileyTally ||01-15-2013 05:17 PM |
We're a 5 piece also.I'm (from the audience's perspective) front left center, I do the most of the "chatter" and a good bit of backup vocals. Our setup from overhead (facing the audience) looks like this
Lead Singer Me
Lead Guitar Rhythm Guitar
Lead guitar steps up for solos and Rhythm guitar does a good bit of jumping around. Works for us.
I stand by hi-hat. Ask your guitarist to turn his amp more toward you. Do the same if you are asked to turn up and/or do turn up and go more to the front of stage to find better mix balance for you. I prefer to put my rig rather further back, if possible, to let the sound 'develop', if that makes any sense :)
Consider getting molded earplugs, search for ER15 or ER9 (that's what I use). Costs the same like one better fx pedal and will save your hearing in the long run. Constant ringing in ears 24 hour a day is not fun.
|claytitan ||01-15-2013 05:32 PM |
Think it depends on how much singing you do. If you sing a good bit up to the front you go. If you are just playing only I don't think it matters much.
We are 6 (drums, bass, guit X 2 and 2 singers). I always try to be right beside the drummer on his high hat side 'cause it's where I can communicate with him best.
Usually left of the drum kit.
|parsons ||01-15-2013 05:49 PM |
I prefer the drummers left (assuming he is a right handed player) but my last band the guitard stated that was his spot so all I get now is a little kick drum and some snare from the drummers right.
|gearhead1972 ||01-15-2013 05:52 PM |
yeah like most people I am on the hi hat side, and I can see his kick foot pretty good from there also. When I need to hear the lead singer/rhythm guitarist, I just step out.
|georgestrings ||01-15-2013 07:50 PM |
I prefer to set up on the ride side of the drummer - that way, I hear more kick/less snare... I also do vocals on about 80% of our songs, so I'm at the front of the stage most of the night...
|Doug R ||01-15-2013 08:33 PM |
Out standing in my field
I have always been partial to setting-up to the left of the drummer. The lock-in with kick drum & hi-hat is good for keeping the rhythm section together.
The exception is when I'm sitting-in with new people or following a guitarist on new stuff. Moving to stage-right can give you a better view of what the guitar player(s) may be doing.
Playing on the right side of a drummer usually gets hard on your hearing because you get those cymbals right in your left ear, sometimes to the point of hearing damage. Also, if it's a small stage, your bass keeps whacking into drum & cymbal stands.
As for having your bass sound too loud in the on-stage mix, I often try to set-up so my bass speaker is not right behind me. If you have a separate amp & speaker, just put your amp on a little TV table or stand to your right, maybe on the drummer's monitor or something, and run a cord to your speaker box on the other side of the drummer. You get a better overall mix of the back line - may even have to turn-UP! (Also a big help with bass feedback if using an acoustic or upright bass)
|Stone Soup ||01-15-2013 08:49 PM |
It doesn't matter where you stand, as long as you can hear what you need to hear. maybe I'm odd, but I focus different things for different songs. I might listen to the kick on one song more or the snare on another song. I almost never focus on the high hat. I also have a click in my ears most of the time, though.
|Jhengsman ||01-15-2013 09:11 PM |
It is a church. I am on the right side of the drummer who has half of a shield up. In the other former choir cutout across stage are the guitar, keyboards and violinist with the three singers center stage between us. I can't see the high hat at all but have a perfect view of the kick and I also key on the ride and drive cymbals.
|LeoSash ||01-15-2013 09:20 PM |
I'm in a jazz band and i have jazz classes (like college ensemble) and i stand in the middle in between the pianist and drummer and the horns up front. It changes varying on the people im with but i have a video to show for what it looks like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdom8A1_ga0
|two fingers ||01-15-2013 09:21 PM |
Leave your amp where it is. Turn it up. Go over by the guitar player to play. Problem solved.
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