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FreeBassJunky 03-16-2013 09:55 AM

Wireless, who needs it?
 
Ever since I was aware of wireless systems, as opposed to regular instrument cables, I have been curious of their quality, convenience factor, and the cons of going wireless. Do these things ever crap out in the middle of a gig? Is there a delay? If another band member onstage has one too, do they ever interfere? Why are they do expensive? And most importantly, unless you're Steve Harris, who really needs one? I would appreciate any input on this subject because this is pretty virgin territory to me!

ericg3 03-16-2013 11:40 AM

i have a line 6 G30. I have had no problems with it and i love not dragging a wire around. the batteries do die without warning so you should always start a gig with a fresh set. Not a bi deal in practice - 30 seconds to swap them. I don't think anyone "needs" one - just like you don't "need" electric windows in your car

ericg3 03-16-2013 11:42 AM

the line 6 has i think 6 channels - so just make sure you and your band mate are on different channels

Bass_Pounder 03-16-2013 12:04 PM

If you play small clubs, or always just stand in front of your amp - not necessary.

If you play large stages, move around from one end of the stage to the other, and have multiple other musicians doing the same - it can be a lifesaver vs. all the tanged cables.

ggunn 03-16-2013 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FreeBassJunky (Post 14040250)
Ever since I was aware of wireless systems, as opposed to regular instrument cables, I have been curious of their quality, convenience factor, and the cons of going wireless. Do these things ever crap out in the middle of a gig? Is there a delay? If another band member onstage has one too, do they ever interfere? Why are they do expensive? And most importantly, unless you're Steve Harris, who really needs one? I would appreciate any input on this subject because this is pretty virgin territory to me!

The transmitters eat batteries and alkalines tend to deliver full power right up to the end, so, yes, they can crap out mid-gig if you don't put fresh ones in every gig. Delay (latency) isn't a problem. If you use more than one, make sure they are on different frequencies so they won't interfere. The good ones are expensive because quality costs. As to whether you need one, that's a personal choice; if cables don't bug you, you don't need one.

Medford Bassman 03-16-2013 01:32 PM

I use a Shure wireless. It's been a reliable workhorse for me for the past three years. I use rechargeable AA batteries that usually last for two gigs.

tbirdsp 03-16-2013 02:35 PM

I got my G30 mainly because I run sound from the stage and need to go out and check the mix.

Jack 03-16-2013 03:02 PM

Twice I have ruined the pickguard on my Fender and many more times I've worked the jack loose inside from stepping on or pulling the cable out. I've tried looping it through my belt and in the back pocket and all sorts. I finally decided that the wireless would be cheaper than replacing pickguards. And cooler. And more fun. And useful.

Already In Use 03-16-2013 03:10 PM

I have a Shure wireless device. I put the body pack on my bass strap with the batt cover facing me down by the output jack..sort of dead space on my strap.. I can turn it on and off with ease...see the low batt warning lite..change a batt in seconds..the unit stays with the bass when I take it on and off. Works well for me.

Floyd Eye 03-16-2013 05:08 PM

There are more than enough testimonials as to the reliability and quality of the Line 6 Relay units, so I won't waste more time here, just do a search.

As to who needs them, well, I don't need an AR15 or F-350 dually either, but............

45acp 03-17-2013 07:23 AM

We play small-medium sized clubs and run our own FOH for all but one gig which we only do 4-5 times a year. Wireless for me went from being trivial and pointless to "cant start the gig without it" the second our band voted me in as the soundman.

Even if we had a dedicated soundman, i couldnt see ever going back to a cord.

Floyd Eye 03-17-2013 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 45acp (Post 14043819)
We play small-medium sized clubs and run our own FOH for all but one gig which we only do 4-5 times a year. Wireless for me went from being trivial and pointless to "cant start the gig without it" the second our band voted me in as the soundman.

Even if we had a dedicated soundman, i couldnt see ever going back to a cord.

Making sure you're not getting hosed by the sound guy is definitely a legitimate reason to go wireless. ;)

mcnach 03-17-2013 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ericg3 (Post 14040742)
i have a line 6 G30. I have had no problems with it and i love not dragging a wire around. the batteries do die without warning so you should always start a gig with a fresh set. Not a bi deal in practice - 30 seconds to swap them. I don't think anyone "needs" one - just like you don't "need" electric windows in your car

The batteries die without warning?
Ha!
Only if you don't ever look at the battery status lights that are placed on both transmitter and receiver! ;-)

Batteries last about 8h or more, just like the manual says, and from the time you get the red light until the batteries die you have about 1h still. Once the red light start flashing, change them before the next song starts... but I never let them go that far. I only did it at first when I was testing its limits.
3 years of service without problems.

I like having no cables around me, and the freedom to move wherever, hear the band at soundcheck from the floor, etc.

morgansterne 03-17-2013 08:00 AM

I have a line 6 g50 wireless. Best gear purchase ever. It's not just for being a wacko and running all over the stage, it's so

you don't pull out your cable accidentally
you can go over to the mixer to make an adjustment
you can swap instruments more easily -- you can turn the wireless off and on
without any popping noise from the amp!
you can go over and rock out with the guitarist without cables getting tangled
go over and sing harmonies with someone else on their mic
the g50 really is brighter than using an instrument cable (without extra noise), with a "cable tone" adjustment if it's too much

I have never once gone out in front of the stage into the audience while playing, and it's still super useful and convenient.

45acp 03-18-2013 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Floyd Eye (Post 14043827)
Making sure you're not getting hosed by the sound guy is definitely a legitimate reason to go wireless. ;)

Exactly. A 20 second walk around is all it takes.

Kmonk 03-18-2013 05:08 AM

I have been using a Sennheiser wireless for over 10 years. The only problem I have had is when the battery in the body pack died.

Big_Daws 03-18-2013 06:49 AM

im using a Sennheiser EW100 G3 series wireless. i can get approx 3 gigs out of my batteries (or a 5 weeks of practice). and it is build like a tank. i couldn't recommend it more!

most people that only get about a gig out of their unit with a sudden die off are probably using re-chargeables. im using Duracell Procells, and i have had great success, i know that if i have 2(of 3) bars of battery showing on my display i would still be good for another gig...usually seen after 2 gigs...

IMO the people that want a wireless systems are those that don't want to be tangled up in their cable if they are movers/shakers/rockers on stage, and don't want to worry about where their cable is.

Runnerman 03-18-2013 08:06 AM

Good posts. The battery life is a non-issue for me. I put in new ones every gig and then after the gig switch them to my IEM body pack for rehearsals until they die. I use a cord during rehearsals. I also use the G-50 and agree that it is one of the best purchases I have made. The cost is what it is. You have to decide if it is worth it to you.

masterFlash 03-18-2013 08:53 AM

I only play bars, small clubs, and occasional festivals. The wireless thing is almost a must have.
The biggest advantage is not having to worry about tangling my cable. I can walk freely around the stage (provided the stage is big enough).

Fresh batteries are a must, a battery tester is highly recommended.

Also because of the wireless, the fiddle player and I are able to join the audience on the dance floor during the jigs or reel sets (my group is a celtic rock band).

JimmyM 03-18-2013 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FreeBassJunky (Post 14040250)
Ever since I was aware of wireless systems, as opposed to regular instrument cables, I have been curious of their quality, convenience factor, and the cons of going wireless. Do these things ever crap out in the middle of a gig?

Sure, but so do cords.

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Is there a delay?
None that's ever been the least bit noticeable in 30 years of using one.

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If another band member onstage has one too, do they ever interfere?
Only if they're tuned to the same channels accidentally. Otherwise no.

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Why are they do expensive?
Stuff costs money, and the people making and selling them want to make a profit on selling them.

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And most importantly, unless you're Steve Harris, who really needs one? I would appreciate any input on this subject because this is pretty virgin territory to me!
If you stand in front of your amp all night, you don't need one. And some people just plain don't like them. But I need one because I'm all over the stage and audience at various times during the show, and I hate tripping over my cable.


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