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Old 01-27-2009, 07:20 PM
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2 years of lessons and I still don't know what I'm doing

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So here's the deal, my teacher has a side project that he's doing with his singer to keep them busy while there's bands on hold, anyways, he wants to get involved with them and play bass. He's given me a few songs they cover to come up with some stuff. They're all pretty simple, but I'll use one of the simplest songs for example, Santeria by sublime. Probably the simpliest chord progression for the intro and verse, E-G#-C#-B. For the life of me, I can't come up with a bass groove for this. This is probably the most simpliest progression I've ever learned and I can't get a groove on it.

I feel like from this that 2 years of bass lessons and playing up to this point has gotten me NOWHERE.

I've tried a few things, but I just can't put something down that I really dig. I feel so retarded.

Anyone care to help at all?
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Old 01-27-2009, 07:57 PM
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Any block in inspiration I ever had was always solved by having a drummer to play with. Once you're there and able to have a musical interaction and understanding with the drummer, all of the theoretical stuff you've been storing up in your brain will come to expression.

The whole post from here on comes with an "in my experience" disclaimer.

Here's how working up a groove went in the bands I've been in:

1. Singer or guitarist comes in with musical idea. Plays it.
2. Drummer and I kick off a very basic accompaniment. When I say basic, I mean I'm playing the root, quarters.
3. At this point, everyone in the band is just sketching.. try out whatever comes to mind. Don't be embarrassed.. (Having the band understand this part of the process explicitly or implicitly is required for writing in this fashion)
4. Just play. Listen to you, but listen especially to everyone else. 2 parts attention to your own sound, 2 parts attention to the drummer, 1 part attention to the guitar melody/rhythm, 1 part attention to the vocalist.
5. After we've run through it a few times, the drummer and I.. without speaking.. have begun to wrap our parts around each other, playing off each other. We've begun to create the groove.

Once you have played enough with a drummer, you find that the process becomes more and more intuitive, and it happens faster and faster.

That first time that you and the drummer spontaneously play the exact same fill is pure magic. Actually, it continues to be pure magic every time it happens.

I guess, taken in this context, you need to realize that the musical information you've been absorbing really will come into play.

A helpful trick to you from me:
Try playing a rest (that is.. mute your strings.. be silent) on every other snare hit.. just to see what happens between you and the drummer. It makes that snare sound jump out of the mix.. and might put a smile on the drummer's face.
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Old 01-27-2009, 08:10 PM
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Just out of curiosity, if you're doing a cover of Santeria, why wouldn't you just learn the actual bass line?
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Have you tried to cop the part from the record? If I remember correctly it's a quasi-Latin feel, with the bass hitting the 5 chord a lot on the 'A' of the one and three. As in "One e and A two e and a three e and A four e......you 'anticipate' the 5 chord.
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Old 01-27-2009, 08:23 PM
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try and ignore the muso theory you've been taught dont think of basslines as C# + D = C major dominant 26th with a flatted 9th or whatever (yes i know that was total gibberish)

just use your ears get that body moving to the rythm dont sit down and tense up stand up and relax then start experimenting with notes once you have the 1st two notes of a bassline the rest will follow just keep at it

try taking time out, have a beer, listen to something that inspires you, watch a film often the foundations for a great bassline will appear when your just noodling

"hey that sounds groovy i wonder if it will work over that new song.... oh wait it does!"
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Listen to the line on the recording. Get it down and then start to "play" with it. The rhythmic accents are probably more important than anything (harmonically).

Dude, loosen up, this ain't brain surgery. We aren't going to save mankind with a cover of Santeria. Have fun.

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Old 01-28-2009, 06:09 AM
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Thanks for all the good words guys, really appreciate it!

As far as using the original bassline, for one, it's a 5 string he's playing I think, and I would rather come up with my own, kind of excercise my skills I gues you could say.

I did call it a night last night, I'm gonna give it another shot tonight when I get home, hopefully I can come with something.

Thanks again
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