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Old 03-23-2006, 01:25 PM
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I thought it would be fun to start a thread on the cutting edge of bass playing. I dont really keep up with these things, but Ive been feeling like bass playing in general and the role of the bassist in some of the music coming out has definately been changing in recent years.

What are some new (or new to the ears) techniques that are coming into the forefront?
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To me, Marcus Miller has done a great job bringing the bass to the forefront. Thanks to him no one can say "The bass can't be lead in a band". Obviously Jaco, Stanley, and others have pioneered this too, but IMO Marcus is currently kicking the most butt.

As far as techniques,

Michael Manring uses a bunch of altered tunings, as well as changing tuning while he is playing. It sounds cool with all of the harmonics he uses.

Adam Nitti also uses a cool sweeping technique.
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It seems to me that to the general public, playing a slap bass solo still makes people's jaws drop to the floor.
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It seems to me that to the general public, playing a slap bass solo still makes people's jaws drop to the floor.

I think you need to include most other bassists in that group too.
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It seems to me that to the general public, playing a slap bass solo still makes people's jaws drop to the floor.
yuck!
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I like slap bass solos
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Anyone seen vic's solo with Dave Matthews Band? That's some rockin' stuff.

But my favourite soloist will always be Jaco, he just had the most incredible expression on that fretless. he made it sing like no other bass player.

I recently found out about richard bona, and he's one hell of a musician.
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I think you folks have a different definition of avant garde than I do.

Skuli Sverrisson is the most happening avant garde electric bassist I've heard. His solo disc is truly amazing.

Stomu Takeishi is also an incredible player. His stuff really stands out, though his sounds are more conventional than Skuli's.
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I think you folks have a different definition of avant garde than I do.

Skuli Sverrisson is the most happening avant garde electric bassist I've heard. His solo disc is truly amazing.

Stomu Takeishi is also an incredible player. His stuff really stands out, though his sounds are more conventional than Skuli's.
Skulli is one of the best players out there. I'm glad somebody else knows about him.
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Mike Watt does some pretty crazy things on his bass. That stuff would probably be considered more Avant-Garde than anything else in this thread so far.
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theres this guy:
http://www.spectorbass.com/NewFiles/qbmovie2.html


its not a really practical technique, but it sure looks cool.


also theres that john entwistle "typewriter" thing
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theres this guy:
http://www.spectorbass.com/NewFiles/qbmovie2.html


its not a really practical technique, but it sure looks cool

I wonder how he came up with that?
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theres this guy:
http://www.spectorbass.com/NewFiles/qbmovie2.html


its not a really practical technique, but it sure looks cool.
That's wicked!
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theres this guy:
http://www.spectorbass.com/NewFiles/qbmovie2.html


its not a really practical technique, but it sure looks cool.


also theres that john entwistle "typewriter" thing
crazy looking

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I love Skuli and Stomu! I sometimes share the bass spot with Stomu in the Nublu Orchestra. He usually uses lots of crazy effects while I just plug right into my amp. They're both great guys!

I would say that some of the techniques that could be considered 'avant' would include:

•Moving the strings with something besides a plastic/metal plectrum or your fingers. This could include the E-bow, 'funk fingers' (wooden dowel finger extensions), wooden hammers ala hammered dulcimer and 'prepared' bass where you put various objects in the strings' path and use various materials to put the string(s) into motion. Examples of prepared bass are Skuli Sverrisson of course, "Paper Bass" by MMW and "Buzz" (from Medicine Wheel) by Ben Allison.
•Playing a string while it's being pulled (or pushed) off the edge of the fingerboard. Chris Wood and Victor Wooten, among others, do this.
•Playing with a slide. Very common on guitar but not so much on bass. RIP Mark Sandman!
•Pressing the string down between the end of the fingerboard and the neck pickup. Regi and Victor Wooten do this a lot.
•Playing the non-vibrational (non-critical?) parts of the string (behind the nut or behind the saddle/bridge). Although that's the term that's commonly used, those parts of the string do, in fact, vibrate.
•Sympathetic vibration. By setting the bass' wood in motion you can get the strings moving sympathetically.
•Tapping the bass' body like a drum. Much more effective on DB but possible with EBG, too.
•The 'free-stroke' method ala Willis, Garrison. This is very similar to classical guitar technique and can involve anywhere from one to all five fingers of the right hand. This is probably the most visible and exciting new technique, although it is anything but new.
•Using thumb position on electric bass (fretting hand). Notable users of this technique include Steve Bailey. I've seen Patitucci do it, too.
•Double-thumb or 'double-thump' technique. Popularized by Victor Wooten.
•Thumb-slapping on DB. Not to be confused with regular ol' slappin'. Stanley Clarke does this thing on Rite of Strings where he plays with his thumb right in front of the bridge and he gets a really cool sound. I would equate it to electric thumb slapping technique on DB although his thumb is facing into the center of the bass rather than parallel with the E string or facing away from the bass like it would on EBG.
•Using an apparatus built into the bass to strike the strings ala Neuser Claudia http://www.neuserbasses.com/claudia.html
•Playing from underneath ala Spector video dude. I've seen a couple people play this way before. Crazy stuff!

Yes, Mike Watt's "flipper" technique definitely qualifies as non-standard! He does all kinds of stuff. When I lived in Lawrence, KS for ten years, I saw him every time he played at the Bottleneck. I even did sound for him there a couple of times. Super cool dude!

These are just off the top of my head. I suppose there are as many as our imaginations will allow!
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Tony Levin with the chopsticks taped to his fingers or playing the Stick. Very unusual approach in his lines and sound as well as technique.
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That Neuser is wicked. I really want to try (or at least hear!) that!
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theres this guy:
http://www.spectorbass.com/NewFiles/qbmovie2.html

its not a really practical technique, but it sure looks cool.
Holy cow! Who is that guy???

It may not be a practical technique for ensemble playing, but it sure is for solo playing...

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