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08-12-2009, 06:57 PM
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Been playing bass since '74, thought it might be a good time to re-learn everything, properly. Using the aforementioned book, I'm starting with basics of theory, scales, and modes. Obviously, should've done this years ago, but playing by: ear, and sometimes by the seat of my pants  , has always been enjoyable and a valuable expirience anyway. Actually understanding what I've been "hearing" is a real eye opener. Highly suggest anyone to check this book out. The guitar version comes in 3 or 4 volumes, but the bass edition is all in one nice red book.
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08-12-2009, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by RickenBoogie  Been playing bass since '74, thought it might be a good time to re-learn everything, properly. Using the aforementioned book, I'm starting with basics of theory, scales, and modes. Obviously, should've done this years ago, but playing by: ear, and sometimes by the seat of my pants , has always been enjoyable and a valuable expirience anyway. Actually understanding what I've been "hearing" is a real eye opener. Highly suggest anyone to check this book out. The guitar version comes in 3 or 4 volumes, but the bass edition is all in one nice red book. | Good to hear youre hitting the bassics (heehee), and I plan to do the same soon enough!
Good luck RB!
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08-12-2009, 07:11 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Charlotte NC | | | Great reference book. Did you or anyone see Adam's video? |
08-17-2009, 10:04 PM
|  | I make metal look good. | | Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Baxley, GA | | Yea, my buddy gave me the guitar version, and while in depth, it is waaaaaaay over my head. 
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08-18-2009, 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by RickenBoogie Been playing bass since '74, thought it might be a good time to re-learn everything, properly. Using the aforementioned book, I'm starting with basics of theory, scales, and modes. Obviously, should've done this years ago, but playing by: ear, and sometimes by the seat of my pants , has always been enjoyable and a valuable expirience anyway. Actually understanding what I've been "hearing" is a real eye opener. Highly suggest anyone to check this book out. The guitar version comes in 3 or 4 volumes, but the bass edition is all in one nice red book. | That book is pretty useless for anything. Seriously.
Start here http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Music-Th.../dp/097075129X |
08-18-2009, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by onlyclave | I totally agree. It may seem nice if you haven't been exposed to any other books, but you can trust us on this, and grab a music theory book like the one Onlyclave recommended. |
08-18-2009, 11:28 AM
|  | that video LIES | | Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern California | | Interested in all this- I have the Grimoire, & for me, it needs an interpreter- I'd love something a bit easier to digest. After reading the reviews in the Amazon link though, I'm not sure the specific theory book suggested would do it for me. FWIW, I've been playing for 30 years & have a(very)little bit of formal training; I can fake it pretty good but would dearly love to be able to communicate w/*real* musicians. 
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08-18-2009, 11:35 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Boston, MA | | | The Grimoire is and should be used as a reference for scales. You're not going to actually learn much out of it unless you already know about the scale you're looking for and you have an idea of how to use it. Likewise, the book isn't all that good on its own, as it's essentially just a big list of scales without any information about them.
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08-18-2009, 11:39 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Frederick, Maryland | | | I picked it up quite a while ago and all it managed to do was make my mom think i was reading satanic literature bassed on how the cover looks...
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08-18-2009, 12:52 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Central Illinois, USA | | | It, and stuff like it is pretty useless. It's much like those "1,000,000,000 Guitar Chords" that show how to finger any chord, but don't really tell you anything useful. Instead of that stuff, get a good music theory book, and figure out this stuff for yourself. It's better to know five fingering patters for the diatonic major scale and how to use them, than to know how to finger any scale ever conceived, without knowing how to use them.
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08-22-2009, 07:14 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ky | | It is a reference book for scales & modes, basically. For that, it is useful- despite the negative reviews.
I suppose if it were meant to be much more- it would cost much more... like the above linked basic theory book  |
08-22-2009, 07:27 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cincinnati | | | Ed Friedland's book on the Blues has tons of very useful information on music theory and Blues (of course). I've played for 35 years and have two degrees in music, and I find Ed's books to be very, very useful. Not new information for me, but I can tell you after teaching music for 30 years myself, Ed deeply understands his subject and is very clear in his instruction.
I recommend the whole series to anyone, especially those just starting out. Ed's books will do what a good teacher should do..... save you time.
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08-22-2009, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by BassChuck Ed Friedland's book on the Blues has tons of very useful information on music theory and Blues (of course). I've played for 35 years and have two degrees in music, and I find Ed's books to be very, very useful. Not new information for me, but I can tell you after teaching music for 30 years myself, Ed deeply understands his subject and is very clear in his instruction.
I recommend the whole series to anyone, especially those just starting out. Ed's books will do what a good teacher should do..... save you time. | His books are something you can keep coming back to. It's stuff you're never really done with any way. Like you said, the information isn't new, but he sure does a wonderful job of teaching you to connect the dots. |
08-23-2009, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BassChuck Ed Friedland's book on the Blues | Anyone know what the name of this book is specifically? |
08-25-2009, 03:00 PM
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The Grimoire is and should be used as a reference for scales. You're not going to actually learn much out of it unless you already know about the scale you're looking for and you have an idea of how to use it. Likewise, the book isn't all that good on its own, as it's essentially just a big list of scales without any information about them.
| This really sums up the book well, and a quick flip through it at your local GC will tell you as much. Very little text, all scales and modes, so if that's what you're after, it might be for you. I've picked it up numerous times over the years and always put it back down.
Depends on where your mind is at really- I know others will disagree, but I've played scales on guitar for years and never really felt it was the best use of my time in terms of making me a better player. I promised myself when I started playing bass it was going to be more about what was fun to play and learn, as opposed to going through the motions and learning things I felt like I had to.
Big caveat coming though, regarding my opinion- this is a hobby for me at this point, not a job. What's important to know when you're out to have fun vs. what's important to learn when you're trying expand your musical horizons or increase your versatility in the job market- are two different things. |
08-25-2009, 03:48 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Central Illinois, USA | | | Well, to me the point of learning scales is so far from just knowing where they are on the neck that it's pointless and even detrimental to learn them that way. To "know" a scale (mode, whatever) means you know:
1. How it's built (e.g W W H W W W H)
2. You know what it sounds like
3. You know how to figure out the notes in any key (without the instrument)
4. You can find those notes on the fingerboard over at least two octaves.
This book only shows you the very last of those, and without the first three, that's really useless information. The problem is that it masquerades as useful stuff when it's incomplete enough to be a limiting factor rather than a learning tool.
John
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11-27-2009, 08:33 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NJ via NYC | | | I have the book and DVD. If you want scales and modes this book has plenty!
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11-29-2009, 04:47 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: MD | | | Do you sit down and read a French dictionary in order to learn the French language? Of course not. So why would you expect to sit down with the Bass Grimoire and expect to learn music theory?
This analogy is actually not as apt as it could be. It's actually more like reading a list of all French adjectives (most of which the average French person never uses, or even has heard of) and expecting to know how to speak French. It's utterly useless if you're expecting to learn anything from it, and as a reference tool it's too convoluted and, IMHO, contrived to be of any use to the trained musician. Follow onlyclave's advice and get an actual music theory primer to get started.
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11-29-2009, 09:01 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: West Bend, Wisconsin | | | This series is great. I have most of his books (guitar and bass) The most useful one for me is the progressions book.
It has been my experience that the people that give these books bad reviews just are not ready for them. No offense here. But, if you have a basic understanding on music theory these books are dead simple reference tools.
The problem that people have is that there is so much information in the books that most of it gets lost in the haste to read through it.
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