Boomy noise while hitting the strings
Hello guys, always a pleasure to be on talkbass :hyper:
On my new Lakland 55-01 with Batolini's MK5...
I'm experiencing an annoying boomy sound while playing. It does not matter how light I could be on the touch, I can loudly hear the boom.
I tried cutting frequencies on the on-board pre-amp, but still... I should cut out the necessary?
I thought the pup's are to close to the strings, but the bass is perfectly set...
Any advice? Is it my technique that sucks so much?
Thank you :p
i assume by "boomy" you mean a low boom? you try using the bridge pickup? (assuming you have two pickups)
hand position? the further away from the bridge you pluck, the more "boomy" youll sound.
idk, just a couple of guesses. im sure more will chime in
Ok... probably I've been a bit confusing.
Yes, 2 pups, I mainly play between the two or on the bridge pup.
For "boomy" i mean that I can hear the "hit" of the fingertip un the strings. The sound result contaminated by the "boom boom" of touching the string, does not matter how light I touch the string is still possible to hear the hit. The sound does not result on a clean "pop" but a confusing "boom". ahahahahah, sorry but I cannot find a better way to describe it!
The noise is louder if I play on top of the pup of course, but still... I did not had the problem on my jazz bass MIM this is why I'm trying to understand if is up to my technique that sucks (which could be likely...) or there is a problem in the set-up, or... I don't know...
Thank you for all the advice!!!!
are the strings actually touching the pickups when you play? that would make more of what i would describe as a "pop" but its pretty hard to diagnose a problem when youre using words that are subject to interpretation. is there any sound clip(s) you can provide to help us help you?
Thank you so much for the help! Yes I can provide sound clips.
In the meanwhile I can say the the strings do not touch the pup and the setup has been perfectly done, just seem like the pups are extremely sensitive, maybe should I try to lower down the pups?
Anyways, if you lightly tap with the hand the surface of your desk, you would have the effect I'm getting, but... amplified :)
Again.... thanks... thanks... thanks...
Maybe they're smacking the board? Have you checked that?
This may be remedial, but if the string or something strikes the pup, that can make a noise, but it's more like a thump or low pop then a boom. Verbal description of sound is iffy, at best.
What do the tips of your fingers look like? I used to have a job (pre-cast concrete) that put even more callouses on my tips then the strings do. Could it be fingertips? I know it's a stretch, but....
Personally, I keep my nails just long enough to strike the string as it passes. That gives a slight pick sound with a finger sound.
Fingernail trimmed to the rim! I cannot play any different.
I can reproduce the "thump" (which is indeed more correct) or "boom" simply tapping gently my fingertips on the strings, no playing involved.
I thought it would be related to my bad technique but at this point i believe could be related to the electronic, pups too close to the strings for the model (Bartolini MK5 - ceramic). Crappy on-board pre-amp... :confused:
Just how cranked is your bass on the preamp? And the amp? The more you boost the low frequencies on either the more you'll see this phenomenon.
Also try soloing just the neck pickup, and then try shifting more to a mixture of the two or just the bridge pickup. Any difference? With the neck pickup completely solo'd and the bass knob turned 3/4 up or more on my Schecter, I get the same boominess along with an unbearable distortion, but things clean up completely by mixing the pickups to around 60/40.
Finally, make sure the bass's volume pot isn't cranked all the way. Don't need to have it at 100% all the time when the amp can do that just fine.
Does it happen if you touch the strings (or even one string) at all with any part of your finger or hand?
I'm thinking along the lines of some bizarre grounding problem. Have you changed the battery in the preamp?
It's really interesting what you said about the "bizarre grounding problem". In fact I'm experiencing small electrical shocks form the bridge, sometimes (which I had with the other bass as well, and even changing ampli).
Also a base hum while recording/using the ampli D.I. (which I had with the other bass as well, and even changing ampli).
Basically 2 different basses, 2 different ampli, same little problems (electrical shocks on the bridge, base hum on D.I. :eyebrow:
If you are getting electric shocks, no matter how small, from your basses then it more than likely faulty house mains wiring.
It sounds to me me like you have no earth (ground) connection.
If you are not up on house electrics then do you know anyone who could check it for you. If not then you should have the house wiring checked (and repaired) by a competent electrician.
Please get that checked out - if it is a house wiring problem, you might have more serious problems down the road that little shocks and hum from your bass.
In my old house, I had a "dimmer" switch going bad on one of the circuits and was causing a nasty hum with my instruments. Otherwise I would not have known there was a problem. I changed the switch to a regular on/off and the problem went away.
Hopefully your problem has a simple and relatively inexpensive solution.
Like was mentioned, if you don't already know how to diagnose and repair home wiring, please get a professional by all means.
I've got an electronic dimmer in the house as well... I'm going to check on it.
Ok guys... here we are... A picture of my lak and the pups height (I did lower them down a little bit) and an mp3.
Please note that I tap the strings and play reeeeeeally gently = the noise is really loud.
- Lakland 55-01
- Lakland skyline series on board pre-amp
- Bartolini MK5 ceramic
- DI Samson S. Direct
Of course I've the same effect on my bass amp
Please help! :rollno:
P.S.: In the meantime, I'm having a check on the house electrical wiring
Hmm, I've never heard anything like that from just barely touching the strings.
When I play with acoustic groups without a drummer I emulate a bass drum by muting my strings with my left hand and sort of palm-thump the strings near the bridge to get a similar sound but I have to give them a pretty solid thump.
The recording sounded great when you were just playing regularly.
The pickup-string distance looks fine.
This is going to sound silly, but try touching the strings with something insulating your skin from the strings (a sock, cloth gloves/mittens, etc.). What I'm thinking is that if you body isn't being used as "ground" by the system through the strings then there is definitely some kind of ground problem in the system.
How about if you touch any part of the metal bridge?
Again, I am still concerned that there is something up with your house wiring and touching anything electronic if that is the case is considered risky. In particular, if you are touching anything electric and any part of your plumbing system (like the fridge and your sink). I know of people who have received quite a shock from this if their house is not properly grounded and there is a short somewhere. When you create a bridge to ground the electricity will travel through your body quite willingly unfortunately...
Thank you butcher for your advice and I'm getting serious about the "ground system" in the house!
So you definitely do not think it could be something related to my technique? I've never tried to play with gloves, it is something I'm going to try to see what happens.
If I touch any part of the metal bridge no noise come out, but still, from time to time I can hear ground noise from just the bass plugged.
The main electrical security switches we get as standard here in italy works perfectly in the house and makes its job, but, still... those random electrical shocks, the noise and everything seems really weird anyways.
Well, I'm not thinking of "playing" while wearing gloves - just try to see what happens by touching the strings without letting your skin contact the metal strings which allows your body mass to be used as a sort of ground.
If nothing happens when you touch the metal bridge, I don't think it's worth testing with gloves on etc. If there was a grounding problem you would get something from touching the bridge.
Hmm... like I said, the actual playing part of your recording sounded pretty great to me - even a little "hot" on the electronics side. How are your on-board eq settings? Do you have them boosted, cut, flat etc.? Also, does it make more or less of a booming noise depending on the pickup blend (neck, bridge, both etc.)?
Well, if you get your house wiring checked out and everything is okay that would not be a total waste - at least you would KNOW that your house wiring is okay :)
I'm thinking to get an aguilar obp 3 on board to change the standard preamp, do you think it may have something to do with the preamp quality?
Well, if they were both set to humbucker, which is usually accomplished by putting the coils in series in each pickup, that usually produces quite a bit more output.
And all of your settings are on "boost". Perhaps, hot pickup setting + preamp boost = undesired result.
Are you running your preamp 9V or 18V?
Do you get the same effect if you have the pickups switches on other settings and maybe leave the bass flat and cut the high and mid a bit (should produce a similar tone profile with less hot of a signal to the DI or amp)?
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