Can the pocket and groove exist with out a pulse?

[JAUQO III-X]

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[Marcus]

Must...resist urge...to give into clichéd terms.

I thought pocket = groove + pulse^2

[00Funk]

NO. You have to have a "ONE"
On the 1 please

[phat daddy]

+1. A big, big "NO" on that one.

[steve66]

one is assumed dead without a pulse

[funkalicious101]

what are you even asking?

[Chili]

lmao

[cnltb]

Yes, of course.

[skaliwag66]

''Cause I got one hand in my pocket..."

[emblymouse]

I think they co-exist but are separate entities. Different dimensions.

Example-I just saw Wilco last week and walked out in awe of their drummer. I remarked to my friends that he played like an orchestral drummer as opposed to a groove/R+R thing. He kept beautifully perfect time with a pulse, exact but also flowing, rolling steady like waves on a beach. No familiar 'pocket' to be locked into, in and out of the strict 'groove'. But always the source of what the rest of the band was doing. That guy is a force of nature.

[colorblindbass]

this is confusing....


the answer must be Carrots.

[00Funk]

Of course you can have groove & pocket without a pulse. Maybe I never thought of it before.
I like playing sometimes without a metronone or beat. Seems to groove to me

[remo]

Yes, a bass player can setup his own groove and then get in the pocket of that. That said, it is much easier to hear a pocket groove when there is a steady pulse.

[lbanks]

It can, but it feels really bad to play.

[BellBottomBlues]

Ever hear listen to Manic Depression?

Ordered chaos.

Jaquo, I love these threads that make people think

[lbanks]

Originally Posted by BellBottomBlues

Ever hear listen to Manic Depression?

Ordered chaos.

Jaquo, I love these threads that make people think

Hendrix's 'Manic Depression'? There's a pulse there, Its just a long wave.

[ColdYinTiger]

I find this thread discriminatory to zombie bass players world wide.

[Deacon_Blues]

Do you Jauqo have any particular songs on your mind that made you ask this? My immediate answer on your question is no. However, if there is an intentional speed-up from a slow to fast tempo spanning over more than a few bars, the transition can groove too.

[JAUQO III-X]

Originally Posted by Deacon_Blues

Do you Jauqo have any particular songs on your mind that made you ask this? My immediate answer on your question is no.

No particular song. I asked the original question based off of my observation of what I've been noticing with bass players in the last 15 years or so in regards to grooving or simply tightly holding the music together.

They really don't have an idea of what their role really is.

Years ago bass players didn't just groove,they had a concept and chose to sound like themselves. It really was all about keeping things tight but sounding like themselves.

Does these groovers sound like each other?

James Jamerson
Chuck Rainey
Wilbur Bascomb
Duck Dunn
Bernard Odum
Bob Babbitt
Bootsy Collins
Jimmy Johnson
Anthony Jackson
Mark Adams
Tommy Cogbill
Jerry Jemmott

[Headuardo]

if intelligent drummers exist (as rare as they are), anything's possible...