Come On, Come Over

fcleff · #1 08-01-2006, 08:45 PM

I've been playing around with Jaco's 'Come On, Come Over' these last couple of days on my 4-pack. In the chorus (or B section) I have been starting on the open D. Does anyone have any other fingering suggestions?

I will probably end up playing this on my 6-pack but some suggestions would still be nice.

WillBuckingham · #2 08-01-2006, 08:54 PM

yeah. Play the D closed on the A string. then use your index finger for the A on the G string, and go from there without shifting. This is the four-finger one finger per fret rule, and I'm pretty sure it's the only reasonable way to play this line.

EDIT: I'm not sure if I was clear, but you'll want to stay in that position without shifting, at least for those first few phrases, as I'm not sure how the rest of the bridge goes note for note.

WillBuckingham · #3 08-01-2006, 09:00 PM

Didn't wanna make two edits, but I forgot to add that on fretless, this is really the only way to play a funk groove like this IMO with good intonation and I can't imagine that Jaco fingered it another way.

-Will

EDIT: Ok this is my last edit. You COULD play this the same way but with the D on the E string, but I don't think it would sound as good, and I don't think Jaco would have done this.

Spencer! · #4 08-01-2006, 09:01 PM

I use the D on the 10th fret of the E string. I'd say it's the best way to do this section, because of the high notes you need to hit going back in to the "A" section, all around the 9th-11th frets of the G string.

Erick Lam · #5 08-01-2006, 09:03 PM

I play the D on the A string, but with 2nd finger, one finger per fret.

WillBuckingham · #6 08-01-2006, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Lam

I play the D on the A string, but with 2nd finger, one finger per fret.

OK. But doesn't it go "BB, CC, C#C#, DD" at the end of the phrase? You couldn't stick with said rule with your fingering, and it would make intonation at that tempo a lot more difficult.

fcleff · #7 08-01-2006, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by WillBuckingham

yeah. Play the D closed on the A string. then use your index finger for the A on the G string, and go from there without shifting. This is the four-finger one finger per fret rule, and I'm pretty sure it's the only reasonable way to play this line.

EDIT: I'm not sure if I was clear, but you'll want to stay in that position without shifting, at least for those first few phrases, as I'm not sure how the rest of the bridge goes note for note.

Yep. Just played it this way and it works great. I made one adjustment though: I use the 1-2-4 fingering and pivot back for the B on the G string. I also drop back to first position for the BB, C (mute), C#C# line. I then shift back to my first finger for the D on the A string (I play a lot of DB so I use the 1-2-4; the pivot is not problem at any tempo). I also use a similar fingering at the turnaround and play the F on the A string. Did that make a lick of sense?

WillBuckingham · #8 08-01-2006, 09:21 PM

I guess I wasn't very clear. Use your fourth finger, or "pinky" to play the D on the A string. Then play the rest of the line without shifting at all. Just try it, and lemme know how it goes.

Also, as an upright player who took up electric bass second, it was difficult for me to adjust to 1,2,3,4 fingering, but this is a situation where it is unarguably better especially on fretless.

Erick Lam · #9 08-01-2006, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by WillBuckingham

OK. But doesn't it go "BB, CC, C#C#, DD" at the end of the phrase? You couldn't stick with said rule with your fingering, and it would make intonation at that tempo a lot more difficult.

I shift. It's pretty easy and I play fretless. There's an open A somewhere, plenty of time to shift. I'm surprised shifting is a big deal for yousionce you play DB. And if you play the D with 4th finger,how do you get to the high D?

I'm pretty sure Jaco played it the same I do.

WillBuckingham · #10 08-01-2006, 09:35 PM

I have big problems shifting while trying to play 16th note funk lines at that tempo. I wind up tripping over myself and killing the groove. If you guys can pull it off with a shift, then I'm nothing if not a little envious.

EDIT: The high D . . . yeah I just listened to it, and I've never played it right, I've always played a C there . . . ok I withdraw everything I've posted here.

fcleff · #11 08-01-2006, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by WillBuckingham

I guess I wasn't very clear. Use your fourth finger, or "pinky" to play the D on the A string. Then play the rest of the line without shifting at all. Just try it, and lemme know how it goes.

Also, as an upright player who took up electric bass second, it was difficult for me to adjust to 1,2,3,4 fingering, but this is a situation where it is unarguably better especially on fretless.

O.k. this time I got what you said. I tried it and didn't really like the tension in my hand getting that P5th from 4-1. I also had a little trouble getting up to the octave D. I did move the fingering up to the 10th fret and it felt much better but the sound is sacraficed some. I may try and get used to that big stretch or go back to my erroneous discovery (thanks to you

) and use the 1-4 to get the P5th and pivot back for the B.

I can see what you mean, though, about playing funk grooves this way (and both my EB's are fretless). It lays out pretty well, I may just have to get used to it more. There are some Bootsy lines that I play kind of like that, they just don't move as fast

Oh, and I actually started on EB, then went to DB for a long time, and now play both avidly. Somehow I just started using the 1-2-4 fingering from the get-go.

fcleff · #12 08-01-2006, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by WillBuckingham

I have big problems shifting while trying to play 16th note funk lines at that tempo. I wind up tripping over myself and killing the groove. If you guys can pull it off with a shift, then I'm nothing if not a little envious.

EDIT: The high D . . . yeah I just listened to it, and I've never played it right, I've always played a C there . . . ok I withdraw everything I've posted here.

To the contrary, I misread your first post and it prompted me to use a very comfortable fingering that I am really starting to like. Thanks for the ideas. This is a kick-a$$ line to play!

Peregrine · #13 08-04-2006, 01:31 PM

I play with my middle finger on the d then stay in the same position until you move up back to the verse again.

fcleff · #14 08-05-2006, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

I play with my middle finger on the d then stay in the same position until you move up back to the verse again.

Are you using the D on the A string or the E string? I've been practicing the 1-2-3-4 fingering with 4 playing D on the E string. The sound wasn't great at first but I am starting to tweak it some. The fingering there is more comfortable for me now.

iplaybassguitar · #15 08-08-2006, 11:01 AM

i definatly use the 10 on the e string, i do so because in that first part, the riff ends on a c, and the easiest way for me to play the c is on the 8 of the e string, then its a simple matter of going 8-8-9-10 when it transitions into the bridge, plus its easier to reach the high notes from up there, it seems senseless to slide up from the open or from the 5

fcleff · #16 08-09-2006, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by iplaybassguitar

i definatly use the 10 on the e string, i do so because in that first part, the riff ends on a c, and the easiest way for me to play the c is on the 8 of the e string, then its a simple matter of going 8-8-9-10 when it transitions into the bridge, plus its easier to reach the high notes from up there, it seems senseless to slide up from the open or from the 5

Yeah, that's what I've finally settled on. It just takes a little getting used to. The sound is starting to balance now and the tempo is coming up as well.