could this work?

[xxfaux_punkxx]

I had my guitarist tab out a song so that I could work on my part before the next practice.

The tabs he wrote down go....

E/--ooo-222-333-666-----000-222-333-222---------/
A/--------------------5\2/3-----------------2-5-3---/
D/-1-------------------------------------------------/
G/--------------------7\4/5-----------------4-7-5--/

What I'm playing with is

E/-000-222-333-666--------000-222-333-222--------/
A/-------------------5-3-2-------------------3-5-2-/
D/--------------------------------------------------/
G/--------------------------------------------------/

would that work? I usually shadow a lot of his riffs in playing to apply oompf to his parts?

Also the song is in 3/4 time.

[plangentmusic]

The problem with the way people write tabs today is they don;t include the rhythm. Without that, you don't really know how it goes.

But do you really need a tab for E///F#///G///Bb///???

Now, I see you have D string, first fret as a substitute for the open E. That's Eb dude.

You need to at least learn the fretboard. Buy some books or take some lessons. Otherwise, you're not going to get very far.

[xxfaux_punkxx]

Originally Posted by plangentmusic

The problem with the way people write tabs today is they don;t include the rhythm. Without that, you don't really know how it goes.

But do you really need a tab for E///F#///G///Bb///???

Now, I see you have D string, first fret as a substitute for the open E. That's Eb dude.

You need to at least learn the fretboard. Buy some books or take some lessons. Otherwise, you're not going to get very far.

I know the fretboard and I know how to read music. I have several books on the matter as well.. It's quicker to write out tabs than it is to actually read music, espeacially considering that we don't have blank music sheets for it. and I did write the tempo... which is 3/4. 3 beats per measure, 4 measures per bar.

also I write tabs EADG top to bottom left to right like I would read a book. So the tabs read in standard tuning. I'm asking because I want to know if on the A string he plays D-B-C where I play B-C-D if that will flow well enough or if it would sound sloppy.

I won't doubt you know a lot more about music theory then I do so if you know chord progressions (which is something I'm working on but I'm still not very good at) then let me know if the chords will match up or if I need to re-vise my riff.

[DerHoggz]

Originally Posted by xxfaux_punkxx

and I did write the tempo... which is 3/4. 3 beats per measure, 4 measures per bar.

I'm asking because I want to know if on the A string he plays D-B-C where I play B-C-D if that will flow well enough or if it would sound sloppy.

That isn't the tempo, it is the time signature, which is still not the rhythm.

If you are doubling, why not just play what he plays? Or just try it and see how it sounds.

[thesilence]

the rhythm would be quarter notes, eighth notes, sixteenth notes, whole notes, half notes, thirty-second notes etc.

[thesilence]

tempo would be 60 bpm (beats per minute) 120 bpm, 240 bpm, etc.

[christoph h.]

in your tab, you play (last three notes): C D B, while he plays B D C... that probably won't sound very good.

[6jase5]

Originally Posted by plangentmusic

You need to at least learn the fretboard. Buy some books or take some lessons. Otherwise, you're not going to get very far.

Really? I'm curious what not going to get very far means to you. I play by sound and don't know the fretboard very well in all honesty. I've been playing for 29 years and it hasn't stopped me from two major record label deals or playing fretless at times. I got paid to tour the world, I had fun, I just didn't like the industry but it never held me back other than perhaps working a gig reading charts which I'd never do anyway. Do you think that every famous person knows theory? You'd be sadly mistaken.

So cut the negativity crap and just help a TB brother/sister out or not post.....there's an idea.

Now to answer the post, theory and sound don't always go together so try playing it and see what you think before you decide that what's on paper should ever be law. We wouldn't have Nirvana, Queens of the Stone Age, Radiohead, The Kinks, etc. if music was meant to be "perfect". My current guitarist is a trained musician and he's constantly amazed at the power of dissonance which goes against his first instinct.

[xxfaux_punkxx]

Originally Posted by DerHoggz

That isn't the tempo, it is the time signature, which is still not the rhythm.

If you are doubling, why not just play what he plays? Or just try it and see how it sounds.

oops my bad. Like I said earlier not the best on theory.

The rythm would be quarter notes and then 2 eighth notes.

1-2-3, 1-2-3, 1-2-3, 12-3-4 or something along those lines. Not sure really how to right out the rythm in tab form.

I want to have my part memorized before next practice. This is all something him and my drummer came up with before I joined the band it just resurfaced last practice leaving me to play catch-up.

[kuys]

Originally Posted by 6jase5

Really? I'm curious what not going to get very far means to you. I play by sound and don't know the fretboard very well in all honesty. I've been playing for 29 years and it hasn't stopped me from two major record label deals or playing fretless at times. I got paid to tour the world, I had fun, I just didn't like the industry but it never held me back other than perhaps working a gig reading charts which I'd never do anyway. Do you think that every famous person knows theory? You'd be sadly mistaken.

So cut the negativity crap and just help a TB brother/sister out or not post.....there's an idea.

Now to answer the post, theory and sound don't always go together so try playing it and see what you think before you decide that what's on paper should ever be law. We wouldn't have Nirvana, Queens of the Stone Age, Radiohead, The Kinks, etc. if music was meant to be "perfect". My current guitarist is a trained musician and he's constantly amazed at the power of dissonance which goes against his first instinct.

AMEN.

As another player that's learned by ear. I support and respect you.

[Dubista]

I'd say try it out and see what it sounds like. IMO, I don't think it will sound like a harmony and just sound like a bum note.

[Gawd]

The best way to write out tabs if that's the route you take, in my opinion is to have a time meter underneath. If I understood your description correctly it would be something like this.

G|-------------------------|-------------------------|
D|-------------------------|-------------------------|
A|-------------------------|-------------------------|
E|-0-------0-------0-------|-2-------2-------2-------|
   1 . . . 2 . . . 3 . . . | 1 . . . 2 . . . 3 . . . |

|-------------------------|-------------------------|
|-------------------------|-------------------------|
|-------------------------|-------------------------|
|-3-------3-------3-------|-6-------6-------6-------|
  1 . . . 2 . . . 3 . . . | 1 . . . 2 . . . 3 . . . |

|-------------------------|
|-------------------------|
|-5---3---2---------------|
|-------------------------|
  1 . . . 2 . . . 3 . . . |

|-------------------------|-------------------------|
|-------------------------|-------------------------|
|-------------------------|-------------------------|
|-0-------0-------0-------|-2-------2-------2-------|
  1 . . . 2 . . . 3 . . . | 1 . . . 2 . . . 3 . . . |

|-------------------------|-------------------------|
|-------------------------|-------------------------|
|-------------------------|-------------------------|
|-3-------3-------3-------|-2-------2-------2-------|
  1 . . . 2 . . . 3 . . . | 1 . . . 2 . . . 3 . . . |

|-------------------------|
|-------------------------|
|-3---5---2---------------|
|-------------------------|
  1 . . . 2 . . . 3 . . . |

As for if it would work. The only problem I see would the little bit you play on the A string. If the guitarist is playing D B C, and you're playing D C B. Than the last two notes harmonizing (the C and B) would create a major 7th and than a minor 9th. Which will sound pretty dissonant, unless that's what you're going for.

[Rockmusician]

Originally Posted by plangentmusic

The problem with the way people write tabs today is they don;t include the rhythm. Without that, you don't really know how it goes.

But do you really need a tab for E///F#///G///Bb///???

Now, I see you have D string, first fret as a substitute for the open E. That's Eb dude.

You need to at least learn the fretboard. Buy some books or take some lessons. Otherwise, you're not going to get very far.

Well said!

[OPBASSMAN1994]

Originally Posted by xxfaux_punkxx

I know the fretboard and I know how to read music. I have several books on the matter as well.. It's quicker to write out tabs than it is to actually read music, espeacially considering that we don't have blank music sheets for it. and I did write the tempo... which is 3/4. 3 beats per measure, 4 measures per bar.

also I write tabs EADG top to bottom left to right like I would read a book. So the tabs read in standard tuning. I'm asking because I want to know if on the A string he plays D-B-C where I play B-C-D if that will flow well enough or if it would sound sloppy.

I won't doubt you know a lot more about music theory then I do so if you know chord progressions (which is something I'm working on but I'm still not very good at) then let me know if the chords will match up or if I need to re-vise my riff.

Sounds like a countermelody to me. I use them on a few of my band's songs. Works well, good sound. Listen to a little McCartney.

[OPBASSMAN1994]

And to Plangentmusic, don't be so negative bro. I don't want you to end up getting called for trolling (even though you are not). The guy obviously has some places to go theory wise, but nobody is all the way there. I have more to learn, and am not "there", yet. YOU can learn too. Everyone can. Don't be condescending because someone might know less than you, or need a little more experience. Be helpful as possible, and patient.

[OPBASSMAN1994]

The beautiful thing about music is that no one ever gets "there". It is a process of endless learning that never ends.

[Gawd]

Originally Posted by OPBASSMAN1994

Sounds like a countermelody to me. I use them on a few of my band's songs. Works well, good sound. Listen to a little McCartney.

It's not the contrary motion that's the problem. It's the harmony itself, The Beatles didn't use many minor 9ths, since it is the most dissonant interval. But like I said, they may be going for that.

[OPBASSMAN1994]

I guess we're talking about different methods of countering. I generally use the same kind of pattern that fauxpunk is talking about. I guess I'm thinking in a more general sense, though.

[Gawd]

In particular for D C B, when he plays the C the guitarist is on B, which would be a major 7, which is fine. But than when he's on B the guitarist is on C, a minor 9th. The major 7 has a bit of a clash as it is, but the movement from major 7 to minor 9 is very dissonant and doesn't really give a sense of direction.

[xxfaux_punkxx]

hmm... good advice guys. The only thing I can do at the moment is keep working on it. Practice is thrusday so I'll play it with him (with out the drummer) so we can both hear it clearly.

thanx for all the help.