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Old 06-14-2008, 06:16 PM
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This happens to me all of the time, even today.

I was performing with a choir, one of my normal things, and we were out in a park, without shade, and the choir members wear black tuxes and dreses. one of the choir members passed out and I was watching what was happening behind the risers the whole time (an ambulence came and the parameds were walking around back there), even when we changed songs. Happens to me all the time, on one level of my conciousness I am playing, and while playing (and actually knowing what I'm doing - i can throw a little embellishment into the song or change my playing at will, so i guess it's not really "ghost hands") and yet totally be thinking of something else. Frequent topics include GAS and dinner... but my mind will totally wander.
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it either means your in the zone or you getting bored..regardless, its a pretty cool feeling and i absolutely know what your talking about.
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I get ghost hands some times. I'll usually be thinking about what I'm playing, where in the song I am and whats coming next. Except sometimes my mind draws a complete blank as to what I play next, which kinda freaks me out, but ghost hands come to the rescue. I usually remember what I should play shortly after ghost hands make an appearance.
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I think when that happens, it's not a good thing. It means you weren't concentrating on the music. Just MHO....
but it means if you have a boring gig, you can just drift off and let your hands do the work. or if you gig isn't boring but your hands know the song so well they do it alone u can put your effort into performing or sining b.vox.
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If you drift off and let your hands do the work, are you playing and listening anymore? Or are you just making Big Macs?
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IMO, "ghost hands" work good in the favor of Lead vox+bass.
Big Macs are optional, but ya gotta have fries too.
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You've experienced the benevolent ghost hands. Not all ghost hands are like that. There is the malevolent sort, where you know the part inside and out, you know exactly what frets you should be on and when, you know exactly where your right hand/fingers should be, you tell your hands to do what they are supposed to and for some reason they refuse to obey, and either don't move, or go someplace completely wrong. These are the kind of ghost hands I have from time to time.
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You've experienced the benevolent ghost hands. Not all ghost hands are like that. There is the malevolent sort, where you know the part inside and out, you know exactly what frets you should be on and when, you know exactly where your right hand/fingers should be, you tell your hands to do what they are supposed to and for some reason they refuse to obey, and either don't move, or go someplace completely wrong. These are the kind of ghost hands I have from time to time.

Those'd be poltergeist hands.
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So, next time my wife complains about me being to grabby should I just say, "sorry baby ghost hands couldn't help it."
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So, next time my wife complains about me being to grabby should I just say, "sorry baby ghost hands couldn't help it."
+1, that's what I tell my wife regardless
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If you drift off and let your hands do the work, are you playing and listening anymore? Or are you just making Big Macs?
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If you drift off and let your hands do the work, are you playing and listening anymore? Or are you just making Big Macs?
From a zen perspective, should there be any difference?


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Ommmmmmm.

No, you should be present in the moment making Big Macs too. You're right.

You shouldn't ever "wake up" and not realize where you were. At least IMO.
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No, you should be present in the moment making Big Macs too. You're right.

You shouldn't ever "wake up" and not realize where you were. At least IMO.
You've clearly never driven through the carolinas at night. Or accidentally driven to the store when you meant to go to the highway.

Actually, I'm always aware of where I am. I just don't know what happened to the last 2 seconds. I could have been EXTREMELY conscious of those 2 seconds, I just don't have any MEMORY of being conscious of those 2 seconds. It's a subtle but important difference. You have no way of knowing whether or not I transcended to a higher level of consciousness rather than a lower one.

In order to do anything as complicated as playing an instrument, you have to make a conscious effort to train the unconscious part of your brain how to do things. Every part of our body has adapted & changed with evolution - no part of our body is quite like that of a lizard's. Except for the brain. The brain didn't change, the brain just added new pieces. We have a complete & intact lizard's brain contained within our brain.

It's this lizard brain that we have to train to play music. Without it, we'd never get the motor coordination down and we'd constantly be telling the fingers "okay now move up, now move down, now move left, now move right..."

The same way you can't recall how many steps you took between your front door and your couch or exactly how many strokes you used when you brushed your teeth in the morning or shampooed your hair, the lizard brain is our friend and it operates below the level of consciousness and it allows us to plan our solo four bars from now while it plays a few notes for us (which we may have consciously planned out a few moments ago) now.

You know that awkward & completely automatic movement you make when you trip - arms flailing, legs shooting out? All of that happens without you being consciously aware of it. You can observe it happen, but there's no way the conscious, analytical mind works quickly enough to do all that. All that actually takes place below the lizard brain - it happens in the spine. So does the sudden withdrawal when your hand touches something hot. It never reaches your conscious mind. Sure the conscious mind can override the instincts, but you see how much effort it takes to hold your hand steady over the flame.

I've been incredibly conscious for bits of music that I play - one song that I didn't have a part for & had to record that day I was incredibly conscious for and laid down a perfect track, completely improvised on the spot - but other stuff that's exactly the same day after day - I disappear for a few seconds. I let instinct take over. We're good friends & if he wants to drive for a while, I let him.

One of my professors worked with the famous H.M., who lost his ability to make long-term memories in the 1950's. Every time he looks in the mirror he's shocked at how old he's gotten. He doesn't recognize his family members at all & when my professor had to drive him somewhere, he said "WOW, are these the new models?" while pointing at the other cars, thinking it had only been a few months since he'd seen a car, not 40-something years.

Is HM present for every moment just because he doesn't remember them?

Maybe I also have some sort of neurological disorder that only comes out when I play music. I remember everything up until the micro blackout & everything after it. I just don't remember anything in between & I'm astonished that I managed to play all the notes in between the two points, including sometimes a few fills that I'm sure I must have played (because I alway play fills in those spots, but not always the same ones). Maybe it's some sort of seizure, some sort of overwhelming of the senses, maybe it's a disconnect of my short-term memory system. Or maybe it's just ghost hands.
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