Felipe andreoli´s shredding

Hiro · #1 08-11-2006, 11:42 AM

I saw the famous video on youtube. Is amazing his control of the "floating thumb"hahaha .:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA9fxNIjWu8

what kind of plucking combination does he use? 3-2-1-2-3? 3-2-1-3-2-1?

spindizzy · #2 08-11-2006, 12:24 PM

His technique seems to be more movable anchor than floating thumb. His three finger technique in this particular example is more flailing than a specific number orientation. If I had to guess it looks to me like he is mainly going 3-2-1-2-3. He could clean it up considerably if he were to go to true floating thumb and utilize a T-1-2-3-2-1 and use the thumb as his bridge for string crossing.

Might I add...YAWN.

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P.S. To all of this fellow's fans. I appologize for any offense my previous remarks may have caused. Although I am not particularly impressed with this clip he does show that he has capabilities and I am sure he is a fine player. My comment on the difference between movable anchor and floating thumb however remain accurate.

Hiro · #4 08-11-2006, 01:59 PM

Well i don´t like what he does on the video, I don´t think that it is very musical... is more an shred show. About the movable anchor or floating thumb, I think that for being a movable anchor it has a great speed

. I use the 321321 technique and find it more useful for my way of playing. Do you think that there are any trouble when you use 321321 and you want to learn 32123? will it chanque my finger coordination?

Sorry of my english. spanish guy

spindizzy · #5 08-11-2006, 02:28 PM

I think, to answer Hiro, that if you do anything too long it creates habits that will then need to be broken. However it is all about how you practice technique in the first place. If you follow Gary Willis and Todd Johnson's advice and practice everything very slowly and methodically building speed only after you can do something flawlessly every time you should have no difficulty changing your habit. What I am currently working on is the ability to not consider what order I am striking in but rather to more organically decide as I am playing, even the fast passages, which finger or thumb stroke will be most efficient. This is only after I have spent a lot of time playing regimented drills that vary the order while playing the same exact passages each time. In other words, and we'll go chroma on this example, I'll play straight across the the fretboard in one position starting with t-1-2-3-2-1 and then come back across and change to 2-3-2-1-t and continue moving through all the possible orders trying never to play it the same way twice in a row until I can get it as smooth as if I was following a more regimented order. I hope that makes sense. Not saying this is THE WAY just one other way that I have incorporated in my practice schedule.

velvetkevorkian · #6 08-11-2006, 07:26 PM

Spindizzy, can you elaborate on the difference between floating thumb and movable anchor please?

Hiro, I don't see any advantage in changing from 321321 to 32123. I would choose one and stick with it, unless you want to do what Spindizzy's suggesting, which may work for you. For my part, I'll stick with 321321, thanks

Hiro · #7 08-12-2006, 05:45 AM

I think i´m going to buy a pick hahahahaha

thanks :P

spindizzy · #8 08-12-2006, 07:05 AM

The idea of movable anchor is that instead of placing your thumb in a fixed spot like a thumb rest or pick up you are placing it on the string above the string you are playing. Floating thumb does not rest the thumb ever but rather lays it along several strings and relies on your finger strength to strike the strings without added support from the thumb. See the floating thumb sticky for more about both.

I appologize if my comments about what I was experimenting with confused the issue here. VK is probably correct in suggesting that now is not the time for you to go outside of a specific pattern as you learn to incorporate three fingers into your playing. I am old enough now that I do an awful lot of experimenting with techniques that I have used for ten years or more and sometimes get bored in practice. What I described above was just a practice routine that I have been playing around with recently. Whether or not it produces anything useful in my playing remains to be seen. when I first starting using three fingers and a thumb was nearly 20 years ago but when I started out it was very much the same way each time. So start with a comfortable basic approach and use it until it no longer serves your purpose. At that point you can experiment more broadly as I am doing now.

velvetkevorkian · #9 08-13-2006, 04:58 AM

re: original post- sorry, I totally missed the actual point of this thread. It looks like a 321321 to me, so thats two different assessments from two different people. You pay your money and you take your choice

re: movable anchor/floating thumb- thanks for clearing that up, Spindizzy, I think there was just some confusion over terminology (mine vs yours

). Your point about playing slowly but flawlessly is well made and applicable to any situation, however, and experimentation with technique can work at any age, I would say

Demon · #10 08-13-2006, 05:59 AM

I cant be arsed to check that video, but ican say hes damn fast and prolly has his technique down, but his solos ive seen = total g/high c wanking.

BrandonBass · #11 08-13-2006, 06:24 AM

The solo is boring, but his technique is very good, kinda like billy sheehan version2