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Old 10-29-2009, 07:44 PM
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"Flying fingers" left hand technique question

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So apperently my jazz ensemble teacher says i have improper left hand technique, "flying fingers" my fingers are too high off the fretboard when i play.

I'm not saying hes wrong infact i tend to agree with him. There is one problem though, how the heck do i do this properly?
When i do this technique my left arm tenses up and feels terrible, as well i lose flexibility and my playing feels sloppy and limited.

On the upside the notes are cleaner and you don't hear that hit on the fret.

Any advice on this? There is a problem with bass technique is that MOST bassists have poor technique so when i see videos it is rare that i find something that helps. Are my fingers supposed to be arch or be flat?
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Old 10-29-2009, 08:56 PM
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That's what you get for being in a Jazz ensemble. Play how you are comfortable.
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Old 10-29-2009, 09:09 PM
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agreed. it shouldnt matter to your instructer if you play nude and upside down as long as it sounds good. forget him, play however you feel right.
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Old 10-29-2009, 09:46 PM
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Hilarious answers here! "Yeah, do whatever you want, why would you want to listen to someone with more experience who gives you a helpful comment?" : )

Well. . . You're right in tending to agree with him. Good on you for that. Keeping your fingers closer to the fingerboard will help you play longer with less strain, and you'll get more speed and efficiency that way. Check out some more bass players on youtube, and probably you'll see that the better ones have good technique.

Wishing you the best in your progress,
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Old 10-29-2009, 10:00 PM
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Common dilemma

I teach middle school band, and include bass guitar. There are players of every instrument with the same problem, fingers are too high. It's more efficient to have your fingers close to where they go, be it a flute or bass guitar. How to improve it? Be aware of the height, practice slowly, with relaxed hands. It takes time. Good luck! MY

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Old 10-29-2009, 10:13 PM
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I teach middle school band, and include bass guitar. There are players of every instrument with the same problem, fingers are too high. It's more efficient to have your fingers close to where they go, be it a flute or bass guitar. How to improve it? Be aware of the height, practice slowly, with relaxed hands. It takes time. Good luck! MY
Great advice.

The release should be just that - a release. Don't pull away from the string, just let go of the pressure.
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Old 10-30-2009, 03:47 AM
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On any stringed instument the technique is lifting off not pushing on. Your hand has a natural curl, which you have mentioned, and it is this curl that we need to use. In this curl your finger joints are in line, so tension and pressure on the joints are in line and in correct order. If this is wrong then last joint in the certain fingers collapse, though not a problem to begin with, this will become one.
Though there are many who play flat fingered it is anatomicaly weak as a rule. You use the hand to push the fingers on, the fingers are so straight the presure is in the wrong part of the joint and out of sequence, it is the main knuckle that is controlling it.
To illustrate this for you, take your fingers straight and put the tips on the edge of a table and push down a few times and notice what is going on and what you are feeling. Now curl them and do the same, taking time to notice and feel. In the straight finger you will see that the main knuckle takes the strain and the fingerjoints collapse back. With curled fingers the pressure is spread even and the tips of the finger have a better support because the are now all level, another factor of finger curl.

So how do you keep your fingers closer to the fretboard? You learn and understand that it is that curled finger lifting off that need to be educated.
The exercises you need to do are about opening and relaxing not about gripping, let me explain, squeezing exercises, build a powerful grip, so if you squeeze say a squash or tennis ball or one of those hand exercisers your building the wrong muscle movement i.e. a gripping action. This is the same principal when you play a lot of bass the wrong way, you are in effect developing a squeezing action, that is pushing(squeezing) the fingers against the srings using the neck as resistance.
Put your hands on the bass, now your left hand lifts the fingers away from the neck, you relax the hand and the fingers come back, You then use minimal muscle tention to hold it away from the sting o apply a little bit more to make it fret. Try this, put your hands flat on a table and lift each finger off in turn, the thumb is easy, as is the forefinger, but you may find the others a bit tricky as the finger next to it will get involved. Practice this till you can do it with out thinking, any finger at any time you can lift up at will, to any height, this reinforces the fact your using you hand correctly, so do this exercise for five or ten minutes ever day or incorporate it in to your warm up. If you have weak hands to begin with a hand exerciser will help get you to a better position to work from but only to get you there. You should find that the act of playing and daily life will keep your hands in condition if looked after properly.
Now as you play it becomes about how far from the fretboard and strings you lift your fingers not about putting them on, and its reasonable to say if you don't lift them that far, they don't have far to come back, so speed and fluency will follow, the same applies to the right hand.

Remember that with no effort the hand will curl, that is it's natural relaxed neutral position if you will. straighting the fingers than relax and they will return to the natural curl with no real help. The same is the other way close them, then relax and they will return to the natural curl. So in fretting it is lift relax, fret relax, lift relax, fret relax, and so on with the fingers.
Not lift off put on lift off put on etc, because that is developing a grip.

Congratulation to you teacher for informing you to do something about it, it is an often over look point, you will reap the benifits in later life.

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Old 10-30-2009, 08:56 AM
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thanks for this info fergie..now i know what people actually mean when they say "just relax". trick for me is to do it with all the live band adrennaline going on.
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thanks for this info fergie..now i know what people actually mean when they say "just relax". trick for me is to do it with all the live band adrennaline going on.
This may sound simple but learn to breathe better. Unless we are pushing ourselves we very rarely emtpty our lungs of air, there is always stale air left in that is recycled again. This air has no value and take up the volume that new fresh air could take There many ways to breathe, but if you learn lateral breathing you get more air in to your lungs as you breathe from the back of the lungs with full chest expansion.
Deep abdominal breathing is the same sort of thing in as much as it is another way to breathe better but from the diaphram. To me there is little difference, either is better than the way most breathe.
In a live situation or a situation that can induce the panic responses of the body, this type of breathing lessens the effect they will have, if not stop them from being triggered in the first place. Adrenaline is a panic response hormone and neurotransmitter, control it and you will stay calmer in whatever you do.
Search on lateral breathing, and abdominal breathing for more info and lessons on how to do it.
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This may sound simple but learn to breathe better. Unless we are pushing ourselves we very rarely emtpty our lungs of air, there is always stale air left in that is recycled again. This air has no value and take up the volume that new fresh air could take There many ways to breathe, but if you learn lateral breathing you get more air in to your lungs as you breathe from the back of the lungs with full chest expansion.
Deep abdominal breathing is the same sort of thing in as much as it is another way to breathe better but from the diaphram. To me there is little difference, either is better than the way most breathe.
In a live situation or a situation that can induce the panic responses of the body, this type of breathing lessens the effect they will have, if not stop them from being triggered in the first place. Adrenaline is a panic response hormone and neurotransmitter, control it and you will stay calmer in whatever you do.
Search on lateral breathing, and abdominal breathing for more info and lessons on how to do it.
Quoted for the truth. Breath is key.
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Old 10-31-2009, 09:59 AM
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Another thing that may help is play faster than you can and try to relax......seriously! As you go faster, your fingers will realize they can't get so far away from the string and make it back in time (scale exercises are great for this). Relax your shoulders and breathe (see above) while trying to go faster.

I do the same thing, I have a lot of movement in my left hand. But I found that the more intricate lines I play, the lower my hand gets. It'll never be as low as my teachers, but as long as I hit the notes I'm happy .
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Old 10-31-2009, 10:43 AM
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Another thing that may help is play faster than you can and try to relax......seriously! As you go faster, your fingers will realize they can't get so far away from the string and make it back in time (scale exercises are great for this). Relax your shoulders and breathe (see above) while trying to go faster.

I do the same thing, I have a lot of movement in my left hand. But I found that the more intricate lines I play, the lower my hand gets. It'll never be as low as my teachers, but as long as I hit the notes I'm happy .
Others have said not to do this as far as the stretching goes, but the stretch feels good to me. When gigging or playing a line I've done forever I'll keep an eye on my left hand and keep one finger per note stretch and keep fingers as close the the fingerboard as possible. Over the years (and it took quite a few) my conservation of movement got pretty good.

I don't stare at my hand or anything, just am aware of whats going on every now and then.

I've also done the too fast thing, and played very very slowly. Both may teach you to relax.
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