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Old 03-11-2007, 09:41 PM
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hey guys, i jam with my friends. a drummer and 2 guitarists...like, i can make up some great stuff, but we always get stuck on the same riff...how can i work with the guitarists to like...progress the song...you know? like..improv stuff and make a song of it...how can we get on the same page. how do you do it?
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how can i work with the guitarists to like...progress the song...you know? like..improv stuff and make a song of it...how can we get on the same page. how do you do it?
Aren't you kinda answering your own question here?

Seriously, no one can answer that question for you. There has to be a feel, a groove etc. there. Creativity comes from within.

Why don't you write the entire song instead of coming up with one riff? Then you don't need anyone elses input...that is if the other guys are comfortable with you being the only songwriter.

If everyone in the world could write great stuff
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Old 03-11-2007, 09:54 PM
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lol well actually im taking composing lessons now! just started saturday...thats why im looking for a keyboard or piano!

i understand what you mean. but like, what i mean is the drummer starts, i add a bass line, than the guitars start. after playing that riff about 8 times i want to change it up, or they want to change it up...how do we notice what the other is doing. yeah look at them, but thats not a forwarning!
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lol well actually im taking composing lessons now! just started saturday...thats why im looking for a keyboard or piano!

i understand what you mean. but like, what i mean is the drummer starts, i add a bass line, than the guitars start. after playing that riff about 8 times i want to change it up, or they want to change it up...how do we notice what the other is doing. yeah look at them, but thats not a forwarning!
Actually yes. I give a gesture to the drummer, and the guitar player (or vise versa) and we move on from there. There is a certain body language that happens, builds or declines in music etc.

When my band is "jamming" we're exploring-looking for musical ideas. Don't expect that everyone is going to have the same exact vision for the jam as you. There is no secret ESP magic formula that is going to make both of your guitar players and drummer have the same feeling as to where the song should go next, as you do. This is something that comes with time.
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I would suggest getting more comfortable/ familiar with the people you're jamming with.

There is a small group of musicians I feel completely confident sitting down and jamming totally uninhibited with (maybe a dozen or so). I honed my jam-a-bility (lol) with them for nearly a decade now. Basically what I'm saying is, the more you play with a group of people the more you're able to read their body language or even without be able to anticipate a change.

Now with most other musicians I'll jam with I'm able to predict to an extent when something is coming up by listening and feeling the overall vibe. I'm not nearly as confident with others but I've been able to take the experience with my tight "group" and carry it over with new musicians.

You could always talk it over with the band mates, tell them to really get into the feel and let it happen. Try to find landmarks in the jams that you all can become familiar with, it doesn't have to be the same, but you can usually feel out when a bridge or a place to step out and do your thing will present itself.

I will also double what Zappstorius said, give gestures, look at eachother and just feel it out.

It might not sound so pretty at first, but the more time you spend with a group of people the more cohesive the group will become.

Aside from that, there are just certain people I can not hone in on. Not to say they are not good musicians or vice versa but more so the chemistry just isn't there.

So now that I've said far to much and most likely not very followable, spend more time with these people and feel it out.

Body language is your friend, before you know it you'll be jamming and coming up with some great stuff.

Also try and record the jams some how if you can... from a computer, to a small tape recorder stached in a location in the room where it picks up well.

It'll help you listen to it from another perspective and get a feel for the others.

Hope I shed some useful light.

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thanks ben and zappastorius
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