Hip Hop bass lines do they really exsist ?

[JAUQO III-X]

Can some one please explain to me what is a great hip hop bass line or a Hip Hop line in general ?

I have yet to hear a Hip Hop bass line.

[matt"bass"]

beyonce - Deja Vu. Sadly i know this song. It's up to you if you call it hip hop but there is definatley a bass line.

[A Minor]

Go pick up The Chronic 2001 or any Redman album for that matter....or you could just tune in to 106th and park and check out "Amusement Park" by 50 cent i personally think that the bassline makes the song in that particular case...but yea sorry i can't think of any other songs just albums

[ac11367]

I think it's a catchy bass hook (lasts from one to 4 measures, or could be more) that's usually being repeated over and over again, sometimes to be interrupted by an artistically induced silence for a measure or 2.

Listen to Eric B. & Rakim's "Don't Sweat the Techniuqe". The bassline is done by an upright bass (at least that's what it sounded like). It's simple, but pretty much characterizes the essence of hip hop bassline.

Or also listen to "The Choice is Yours" by Black Sheep.

It occurs to me that some (or most) hip hop basslines do not start with the root note, unless it's the kind of line where only the root note is being strummed once every 4 beats.

[JAUQO III-X]

I've heard those bass lines before and they are kool but their Bass lines are not original,they are very muched borrowed for another genre.

They are R&B,Jazz etc bass lines,I want to hear an original genre bass line not a bass line in a genre of music that's called Hip Hop and the bass line is maybe Rock,Funk,R&B,Jazz etc bass lines.

[gkbass13]

older outkast and blackstar(mos def and talib kweli) have a lot of great basslines on their stuff. raphael sadiq as well. the easiest answer to this question would be to check out hub from the roots, he is a great player.

[JAUQO III-X]

Originally Posted by gkbass13

raphael sadiq as well. the easiest answer to this question would be to check out hub from the roots, he is a great player.

With all due respect I'm not interested in the player.

[gkbass13]

if you say that no original bass liens that are created for hip hop are indeed hip hop bass lines, but instead jazz or funk line, then you are discrediting the genre. if someone writes a funk line in an r&b song is it a funk bass line or an r&b bassline? i think you are just getting caught in the world of labeling music when you dont have to. hip hop is a legitimate genre of music and if someone writes an original bassline for a hip hop song, it is indeed a hip hop bassline.

[gkbass13]

Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

With all due respect I'm not interested in the player.

from your responses thus far it seems as though you created the thread with an inherent bias that leaves you uninterested in any answers to the qestion that you asked.

[A Minor]

check out anything produced by J Dilla as well....of course both of D'angelo's albums...other then that i dunno what you're looking for...It's rap man, not jazz or fusion...there's plenty of low end, just not complex low end

[vision]

I believe there are 3 types of bass lines in hip-hop.

1) A live bass line played by a live bass player, like Hub from the Roots, or Pino Palladino who has done some nice hip-hop work with artists like Common, or Mike Elizondo who has worked with Dr. Dre and Eminem, or Raphael Saadiq.

2) A sampled bassline, which could either be looped straight from another song like many hip-hop producers have done with 70's funk records, or the sample is chopped up completely to the point that you wouldn't recognize it even if you heard the sample source with it back-to-back, (check out anything that was produced by the late great J. Dilla).

3) Keyboard bass - this is less common at the moment because many hip-hop producers don't actually play keyboard. But there are some that will use this like Swizz Beats or Just Blaze or Rodney Jerkins.

Alot of the hip-hop on the radio right now doesn't have a bass line at all, they instead use "stabs" which are 808 kick drum samples that are pitched into a sort of line, but I wouldn't really consider that to be a bass line.

[A Minor]

Originally Posted by gkbass13

from your responses thus far it seems as though you created the thread with an inherent bias that leaves you uninterested in any answers to the qestion that you asked.

THANK YOU!..i didn't wanna have to say it

[gkbass13]

if you arent into hub(for whatever reason), or even if you are, check out preston crump as well, he does a lot of the bass work with outkast, goodie mob and plenty of other hip hop acts.

[ac11367]

Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

I've heard those bass lines before and they are kool but their Bass lines are not original,they are very muched borrowed for another genre.

That's exactly the essence. Whatever basslines (or horn parts, etc) you can fit into a hip hop beat and cultivate a hip hop vibe are indeed hip hop.

[MammaryVest]

I don't think he was saying he wasn't interested in Hub, I think he was just saying he wasn't interested in bassists, but the bass lines themselves.

As for the question, Wu-Tang uses strong bass lines, and so does everything else that the GZA produces.

For more current stuff, Kanye West has some good bass lines.

[vision]

To specifically answer your original question, check out "Ghetto Heaven" by Common with Pino Palladino on bass...great hip-hop bass line! It isn't borrowed from another genre at all - the bass lagging behind the beat while the snare and kick are pushing the beat is 100% hip-hop.

[justabass]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gpin...elated&search=

The birth of bass in the hip hop/rap genre...Im aware you don't care out bout the player but for folks that may thats Doug Wimbish. Im guessing he may be the earliest "hip hop" bassist...Maybe? IMO of course.

[JAUQO III-X]

Again I'm more than familiar with the players in the Hip Hop genre and In my post I did not at all ask about any of them and I am not at all caught up in labeling music.

Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

Can some one please explain to me what is a great hip hop bass line or a Hip Hop line in general ?

I have yet to hear a Hip Hop bass line.

I have played and recorded in just about every genre of music there is and a nice % has been in the Hip Hop genre.

and if some one writes a funk line in an r&b song it is just that(a funky bass line in an r&b song)

funky r&b,

[A Minor]

Originally Posted by MammaryVest

I don't think he was saying he wasn't interested in Hub, I think he was just saying he wasn't interested in bassists, but the bass lines themselves.

As for the question, Wu-Tang uses strong bass lines, and so does everything else that the GZA produces.

For more current stuff, Kanye West has some good bass lines.

The Rza produces...

[shooter_mi]

Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

I've heard those bass lines before and they are kool but their Bass lines are not original,they are very muched borrowed for another genre.

They are R&B,Jazz etc bass lines,I want to hear an original genre bass line not a bass line in a genre of music that's called Hip Hop and the bass line is maybe Rock,Funk,R&B,Jazz etc bass lines.

It's unrealistic to ask people to offer up a hip hop bass line that doesn't sound like a funk or r&b bass line. That's the backbone of the music.