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06-02-2011, 02:37 PM
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I've been trying to learn some stuff off of Kill em' all and Ride the Lightining, but some of the fills and riffs just seem nearly impossible. How did Cliff do this stuff? 
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06-02-2011, 02:38 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Georgetown, IN (Louisville KY) | | | practice, practice, practice is all I can say. He had some insane speed on those early albums |
06-02-2011, 02:38 PM
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06-02-2011, 02:39 PM
| | | | Yeah, I know, he was amazing! So, would you suggest really getting the 3 finger technique down?
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06-02-2011, 02:42 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Space City, TX | | | Yes. Funny that you relate speed to a pick. A pick just slows me down like a speed bump. When I need to play fast it's all fingers. |
06-02-2011, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by skidrawk  Yes. Funny that you relate speed to a pick. A pick just slows me down like a speed bump. When I need to play fast it's all fingers. | Probably because I play guitar as well, and I use a pick for that, and have no problem with the old Metallica stuff. Apart from the solos. Ouch.
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06-02-2011, 02:52 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Winnipeg | | | What's really tough is playing his stuff cleanly. Even Cliff didn't bother himself with that.
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06-02-2011, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth Handsome What's really tough is playing his stuff cleanly. Even Cliff didn't bother himself with that. | haha yeah listening to the separated bass tracks from that era is pretty funny, pretty sure Cliff recorded all the songs in 1 take. Jagermeister....makes you play better, makes you listen better
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06-02-2011, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth Handsome What's really tough is playing his stuff cleanly. Even Cliff didn't bother himself with that. | I don't know why, but that made me laugh.
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06-02-2011, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth Handsome What's really tough is playing his stuff cleanly. Even Cliff didn't bother himself with that. | I think part of what made Cliff, "Cliff," was that style. Like a savage beast thrashing around underneath the straightforward buzzsawing guitars. It was that that for me really was lacking after he passed, Metallics song lost that "living" element in their songs.
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06-03-2011, 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ShredderMaximus I think part of what made Cliff, "Cliff," was that style. Like a savage beast thrashing around underneath the straightforward buzzsawing guitars. It was that that for me really was lacking after he passed, Metallics song lost that "living" element in their songs. | Couldn't agree more. Jason had the stage energy, but he never could capture what Cliff did.
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06-03-2011, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by skidrawk Yes. Funny that you relate speed to a pick. A pick just slows me down like a speed bump. When I need to play fast it's all fingers. | Same here. Picks for me just seem slow and kind of sloppy (but just because I haven't gotten the style down yet) |
06-03-2011, 05:58 AM
| | | | I agree with the thread here, to get the Cliff songs down, you just need to practice even more. One thing I never got around do (or quite needed to in my band at the time) was learning to pluck with three or four fingers, which may help quite a bit for some of that crazy Cliff stuff. There's plenty of tutorials out on the web to help with that.
And I agree with the fact that yes, Jason had lots of energy, but a different, albeit still good sound on stage.
I heard once in an interview that the entire band was really angry for a year or two after Cliff passed, and took it all out on Jason, just because he was the new guy/replacement. Jason had said that for a while, he was contemplating leaving because the "new guy" position was so difficult within the group.
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06-03-2011, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by AzzaKnoldy Probably because I play guitar as well, and I use a pick for that, and have no problem with the old Metallica stuff. Apart from the solos. Ouch. | I play guitar too but O.K. |
06-06-2011, 07:19 PM
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06-06-2011, 08:50 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Saint Augustine, Florida | | | Call of Cthulu mercilessly destroys me every time. Just get your speed up. Play 8th notes at increasing tempos, then go up to 16ths and keep going up.
To be honest, what got my fingers moving was just playing. Try some maiden and stuff. that stuff will force you to get fast. And 3 fingers helps sometimes, but I find it's not so helpful in Metallica.
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