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Old 02-07-2011, 02:55 PM
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I get unwanted noise when fretting and leaving frets...

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Sorry this is most probably a common issue for a rather newbie individual but I got a Fleabass Street (throughly fun bass) and having fun but I encountered an issue personally as I am abit of a perfectionist (kinda annoying when at amateur stages) so anyway when I fret an E-string I hear a unwanted noise not fret buzz I already had horror with that on another bass.

Example would be Jamriroquai-Runaway I Fret the 3rd fret and it's sort of a clank with noise somewhat similar to tapping and when I leave the fret more unwanted noise persist similar to a pull-off? and it happens all during that little riff. I thought it would be the string height to the fretboard so I lowered it so happens, raised still happens and I tried to play lightly it's more with the actual fret hand. Sorry I could of explained in a sentence but I want to be detailed considering I don't know how to describe the issue. Thanks.

I would also mention that this is alittle annoying when playing moderately fast along the fret board as it also contains a sort of squeechy string noise from when I let go to fret another . It's minor but I would like to fix apon it.

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Old 02-07-2011, 05:57 PM
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Often caused by a low nut slot. Try folding a small piece of aluminium foil and placing between the string and nut slot (essentially a shim). The more you fold, the higher it will sit. Play around with it and see if it helps. If so, you can either get a tech to fill the slot a bit, or trim up the foil and leave it.
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Old 02-07-2011, 06:20 PM
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A recording of what you're talking about would be helpful.
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Old 02-08-2011, 09:16 AM
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I've got the same problem

I believe I know exactly what the OP is talking about (for half of his issue anyway)- the metal-on-metal sound of the string contacting the fret when he frets the note with his left hand. I've termed this "fret clank".

I've searched the forums for advice previously. Most people try to be helpful but usually recommend solutions for fret buzz. As OP says, it's not fret buzz.

There is also the advice to improve "technique", but not much in the way of specifics.

What I've found recently is that if the right hand begins to pluck the string immediately before the left hand frets the note, then that helps mute the fret clank. Looking at it the other way around - if the left hand frets the note "too soon" relative to the right hand pluck, then the fret clank is there. It seems to come down to improving timing between left and right hands.

I've tried playing slow, slow, slower, and soft, soft, softer but with minimal result.

I used to play guitar and always figured you basically couldn't fret notes too early. Never heard fret clank when I played guitar. On bass I'm thinking it comes down to hand coordination/timing being much more important.

Look forward to hearing input from those more experienced.

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Old 02-08-2011, 09:58 AM
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Clanking the frets usually comes from aggressively slamming your fingers down too hard when you fret.
It seems like a kind of contradiction, but Real speed is a by-product of accuracy control, and a light touch.
To play fast and clean you really have to slow down and focus on teaching your muscles the proper motion.

This is an edited response form a thread about fret buzz, but I believe the exercise might apply here as well...

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This exercise isolates you left hand completely and helps build the muscle memory needed for clean fretting of notes.
It should be done in your usual practicing postion whether its sitting or standing (I always stand, since that's how I gig)

1.) Put all 4 fingers on the E string, 1 finger per fret, starting wherever that 4 fret stretch is comfortable.
press them all against the string just hard enough to fret a note
Here's a great Gary Willis video on how hard to fret

2.)One at a time, starting with the pinky, lift a finger off the E and move it onto the A string.
keep the remaining fingers in place. Conciously move youre finger in three steps : UP, ACROSS, DOWN.
UP: should be quick and straight up off the string, no sideways motion to cause squeak.
ACCROSS: should be controlled, move in a low arc or parralell to the fingerboard, no flying out and back in
DOWN: Cocnetrate on landing firmly , with the minimum pressure, not slamming down.

3.)After you move your pinky, move the ring finger keeping all the other fingers in place
4.)Then move your middle finger, then your index finger keeping all the other fingers in place.
5.)after that, Starting with your pinky, reverse the movenment form A string to E string.
(If you are feeling ambitious, you can climb accross all the strings this way -its a great exercise.)

Do this slowly , concentrating on a clean three step motion: UP, ACROSS, DOWN.
It may even help to say it aloud to youself "up", "accross" ," Down" in time with your finger movement.
Keep your left hand relaxed with the minimum pressure needed to fret, move one finger at a time and keep the rest in place.

Once your left hand starts to get used to this motion, start plucking the notes you are fretting.
Chances are you'll get less buzz at this point, but if you still do, renew your concentration on UP, ACROSS, DOWN as you pluck.

Do not worry at all about speed:
the real key to clean technique is practing slowly and steadily until your muscles begin to remember the movements.
If playign a riff at speed causes your technique to slip, simply slow it down until your hands get used to the motion.
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Old 02-08-2011, 10:45 AM
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Thanks for the replies and I shall certainly try them all out.
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Sounded to me like back-buzz or back-clank. The clank is happening behind your fretting hand - not on the vibrating length. That's why saddle adjustments don't help - once you fret the note, it's still the same height behind your hand. Filling the nut slots a little can help. Refer to my previous post.
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I think I know what you are saying. The metal scaping when you Fret is more pronounced on roundwound strings. It works for some kinds of music, but not for others. With your tag are you playing more Beatles songs? So Paul plays a Hofner on most of his recordings. Apparently he uses flatwounds. To avoid the metallic sound as much as possible, suggest switching to flatwounds. I have these on my Washburn Force and on my fretless acoustic (no problems with fret noise there ). They make a lot of difference.
You can also try filtering or effects pedals which will take out some of the attack.

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Old 02-08-2011, 02:46 PM
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Another Possibility

Here's another possibility. When you're playing (especially fast) it can be hard to hear or find where the problem is. I have had experience with clanking sounds that I just couldn't figure out their origins. After a few minutes of playing I realized that my right hand was occasionally depressing the string onto one of the pickup pole pieces and causing a clank sound. Play the lick again and watch your right hand and see if you touch your pickups. I know it seems like you would be aware of this if you were doing it, but it really doesn't feel like much and it goes by so quickly that you might miss it. Just a thought
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Old 02-08-2011, 02:57 PM
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Depending on what genre or style you play, fret 'buzz' is a good thing. I love the sound of buzz, makes it sound very aggressive, but I can see where it could get annoying.
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Old 02-09-2011, 12:34 PM
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I been doing those exercises that one has suggested thank you but I thought just in case if it helped I posted a video on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cltVLHmeLs Sorry it's poor at best and sound is poor as it was on webcam. But if you can listen closely you can hear the clanks when pressing fret down, am I being too anal about it? as the amp isn't very loud.
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Old 02-10-2011, 02:25 PM
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Go listen to some isolated bass tracks on youtube. You will be amazed at the "noises" the pros make. On stage or mixed on disk these sounds are barely if at all audible. With practice you will reduce extra "noise" but I am not sure if anyone can ever get rid of them .
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Old 02-10-2011, 02:52 PM
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When you release a note, get your finger up off of the string with as much speed as possible. What I think is happening is you are getting a bit of fret buzz as you transition between firmly fretted, to softly fretted to not fretted at all. Also when you switch positions your finger is dragging across the roundwounds giving you that squeak.

When you fret a note, you need to do so quickly and firmly, but not so much force that you clank the string against the fret.

Most everyone needs practice at cleaning up their technique, it's best to get started early before they become bad habits.

Lowering your action (if possible) helps as does using lighter strings with less tension, but there are tradeoffs with each that could result in less desirable tone or excessive fret buzz on higher frets. It's all a matter of your personal technique that determines YOUR ideal setup.
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Old 02-10-2011, 03:17 PM
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You could try backing off the highs on your EQ...also a rosewood neck is less noisy than a maple neck since it doesn't have a hard finish on it.
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