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Old 05-31-2010, 09:01 PM
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I'm about to give up on fingerstyle I'm so frustrated..

When plucking where should my finger tips be pointing??? I can't figure out he most efficient injury free angle of attack..

Do my finger tips point at the pickups or more towards the ground ..

Hope I explained this well it's kinda difficult
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Old 05-31-2010, 09:05 PM
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I understand the motion involved but I can't figure out the right angle somoeone pls help

is it In the finger tips or finger pad?? I'm trying to have a consistent way

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There isn't really a wrong way. I use my fingertips mostly due to more "economy of motion" but for jazz, motown or anything ballady I use the pads to get a warmer tone.
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As stated above, there is really no right or wrong when it comes to what part of your fingers that you use.
Personally, I use my finger tips when playing faster things, and the pads when I want to dig in more for louder passages or for more dynamic control.
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When plucking where should my finger tips be pointing???
Either way. pointing towards the ground will give you more attack and possibly fret noise, which is useful for some stuff. Pointing it towards the pickup will be rather noise free and more round.

If you have troubles getting the right sound or your fingers get sore I would suggest playing very lightly at first. You can compensate it with a bit more gain on the amp. Also you can use havier compression to squash the peaks if you happen to hit the string harder.

Try moving your fingers as little as possible. If you overshoot you get less time to prepare for the next pluck making it more difficult to stay in time. Moving them little gives you more ability to play faster in timely manner.

Also - experiment with different string types if you can. Unfortunately it means spending $$, but they repond differently and different types are suited for different people. Nickel roundwounds are in my opinion the best to try first. Wouldn't go for stainless steel as they may be more difficult to play.
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I think I'm using wrong type of strings cause there is way too much friction, it's like my fingers get stuck when I brush across strings it's not smooth and soft
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I think I'm using wrong type of strings cause there is way too much friction, it's like my fingers get stuck when I brush across strings it's not smooth and soft
What sort of strings are you using? Also sometimes lubricants like FastFret can help a bit to reduce friction. You will eventually get used to basically any string type, it is just a matter of time, but to get going you can get some help. Roundwound nickel are the smoothest. Some people say flats, but despite being really smooth they can have a lot of friction. That was my experience anyway.

I found GHS Boomers pretty smooth especially with a bit of Fast Fret applied.

And no matter what...don't give up finger style. The only proper style really

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Ok thanks il just keep practicing and do it slow ..... I guess I keep trying to play fast and get frustrated cause I can't do it ;0
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It's all about the tone you want. Different positions will yield different tones. For me it depends on what I'm playing. Find what works for you.
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Slow and steady- it'll come with time. Your hand will figure it out on it's own. Just be sure not to bend your wrist too much- THAT is the biggest source of potential injury(Carpal Tunnel Syndrome).
There's no way to rush the process- just keep at it and one day you'll find it easy to do and you'll wonder what the big deal was.
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Ok thanks il just keep practicing and do it slow ..... I guess I keep trying to play fast and get frustrated cause I can't do it ;0
Not getting frustrated is VERY important.

I've been making the transsition from all pick to mostly-fingers over the last 2 years. It was VERY irritating at first, but it's SO worth it when it starts to become more natural.

In regards to tips v pads, BOTH. That's the beauty of finger style, by using different parts of the finger+placement, you can get such a wide array of tones.

Don't give up!!

Also, you'll just build calouses over time. It's natural to be all cut up at first.
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You may already have this down, but just in case--probably the most important thing about fingerstyle playing is to make sure your plucking-hand thumb is anchored on something solid (a pickup, usually) on the bass. It's very difficult to play if your thumb isn't locked down on something.
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I think I'm using wrong type of strings cause there is way too much friction, it's like my fingers get stuck when I brush across strings it's not smooth and soft
Do you have a teacher? If not, get one.

It sounds to me like you need someone to sit with you, observe your technique and offer you direct, one on one advice on how to properly attack the strings.

Patience and a good teacher - especially with questions of this nature - are critical to your development as a player.

RE: "At pickups or at the ground" - I'd recommend "at the pickups" relaxed, slightly bent and let your fingers pull the string parallel to the body - you are not pushing them down into the body as "pointing at the ground" suggests.

Also - unless you're Steve Harris or Geddy Lee, you really don't want to be 'hitting' the strings with your fingers. You want to think more like pulling a bow string (bow and arrow) where your finger pulls the string and releases it to produce a note.

Not flinging your finger at the string and expecting it to travel through as if like a kid stroking a stick across a picket fence.

Make sense?

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You may already have this down, but just in case--probably the most important thing about fingerstyle playing is to make sure your plucking-hand thumb is anchored on something solid (a pickup, usually) on the bass. It's very difficult to play if your thumb isn't locked down on something.
Not necessarily. I know that's very common and I do it sometimes as well - AND that's how I initially learned. But time has shown me that not depending on a 'solid' anchor is more beneficial to your overall ability to apply many different techniques while depending on an anchor restricts your versatility.
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Old 06-01-2010, 12:34 PM
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I'm about to give up on fingerstyle I'm so frustrated..

When plucking where should my finger tips be pointing??? I can't figure out he most efficient injury free angle of attack..

Do my finger tips point at the pickups or more towards the ground ..

Hope I explained this well it's kinda difficult
Really simple they point towards the strings, and under the string that is to be played. Since you contact the string with a glancing upward motion then the finger has to come from under the string. So if you have the natural curl in your fingers the fingers will point at the bass, never the ground. This is not an option it is a fact of the technique.
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Just take it slow. Playing any instuments means getting your body and mind connected and right now your memorizing the movements and building up the muscles in your fingers (and probably calluses on your finger tips). Any round wound string is going to be "rough". They do make coated strings but (Elixir Nanoweb) but they are expensive and it sounds like you're a beginner. Not to slag playing with a pic, but your hands will be able to make a lot more dynamic sounds and allow you to play with nuances a pic doesn't conform easily. Watch your finger nail length on your picking hand as well.
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Fergie what ur saying is what I was looking for.. thanks the only thing it is hard for me to keep my wrist straight at that attack....
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Old 06-01-2010, 09:39 PM
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Might be helpful:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_oBJlE5qNc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md8FCeqNrcM
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Fergie what ur saying is what I was looking for.. thanks the only thing it is hard for me to keep my wrist straight at that attack....
Different problem as height and instrument design now come in to it. The attack you will get is pre determined by the position, you cannot get anything else but that shallow controlled attack to the strings.

Part of the problem about learning new ideas is stopping yourself going back to the old one or giving up because the results are not fat enough or you lack the trust to see it through.

Again i will repeat the ideal position for the plucking hand is to have a curl in the fingers with the thumb to the side, floating thumb, and a straightish wrist..... that's it in a nutshell.

Natural curl..the fingers have a curl to them when relaxed, you have to introduce muscle tension to straighten them or close them, but relaxed they adopt a natural curl.
We use this natural curl in playing, so to find the best finger position we bend and swing the movement from the middle knuckle ( there are 3 knuckles on the back of the hand) not the big first one from the wrist. That is the common mistake made.
To find the position you do is straighten the fingers, then bend them from that middle knuckle. from the bend back the bottom of the finger, wrist and forearm should be straightish back to the elbow joint.

In playing the strings it is the top part of the fingers that play, so that can be tips, the pads, any part really that come into even contact with the strings.

The order works like this.
1/The elbow raises and lowers the hand by virtue of it being connected to the wrist, so therefore the wrist has no job in this task and so should stay straight. The forearm is like the jib of a crane, it positions the hand and controls that position.
2/ Once in position, using the curl from the middle joint the fingers move or swing from that joint to hit the strings, their only function is to hit the strings. Any movement between strings is taken up but the elbow in lowering or raising the hand to allow the fingers access. There will be occasions when the big knuckle will act like a second mini jib and move to position the finger between closer strings. This saves the elbow moving up and down all the time. But in all situations it is the movement from that middle joint that does the work.
3/ The last joint in the fingers does not get used it just follows on with the movement from the middle finger, so resist trying to bend it. If it does bend you get a pluck of the string, because the angle of attack is now steeper and tighter when movement is from that middle knuckle, the movement is opposite the string being played, rather than swinging from a position that in all accounts is above it. So when you play the D string the middle finger joint is opposite the D string therefore the fingers is opposite the D strings.
In the same situation if you swing from that big first knuckle the action is a good couple of inches higher, in relation to coming up towards the top edge of the bass rather than away from it, than the E string. In a lot of instances the swinging action is not even near the string being played.

As the fingers have curl they are in effect the same length because the tips are level, they will access strings easier.

As the most efficient movement comes from that middle knuckle with a straightish wrist and the elbow controlling the position of the hand, this is where you should look to improve your technique. Any questions post them or drop me a PM.

p.s. i have shot some video of all this and more but things have been so busy i have not had a chance to get in and edit it.

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Old 06-02-2010, 06:46 AM
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Fergie what ur saying is what I was looking for.. thanks the only thing it is hard for me to keep my wrist straight at that attack....
Found some footage and uploaded it to youtube follow the link for some basics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeodP4P0ivM
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